KingMaker - let the Ascension War commence! - Page 119

Zeldor · #**1181** October 9th, 2008, 04:19 PM

Does the prize for winning that game include picking a nation in next mega game?

Xietor · #**1182** October 9th, 2008, 04:47 PM

you got your 1st choice this game. I am not sure what you have to complain about? When you get your 1st selection, presumably you are playing the race you wanted to play. And the fact that you are still alive shows that they are a pretty good race for you.

Of course you did not start next to me. You likely would have been a much more tempting expansion target than e9n4 EA Abysia with their heatshield pd and and firespell casting pd mage.

Zeldor · #**1183** October 9th, 2008, 04:51 PM

I am just asking if winner of that game gets to choose nation before others [like DrP for making the map]. I think that LA Agartha was my choice number 4 or 5 [but I decided to go with them as 1st instead of trying luck with my main picks]. But as we all know, your neighbours and early diplomacy is more important.

Xietor · #**1184** October 9th, 2008, 04:58 PM

I either will not play in next year's big game or will not host it(likely the latter). Hopefully we can get Llamabeast to host it. Or Gandalf. It will be much less work. We already have the mod and map.

So really no one should get any preference on race selection next year in my opinion, which likely will not count for much. Maybe the mod can be tweaked so Throne of Heroes can be used with WH 1.8. That should not be hard. Just means making sure no monster numbers are used twice. But the groundwork really has been laid.

Meglobob · #**1185** October 9th, 2008, 05:53 PM

I am really glad La Agartha is doing so well in this megagame. La Agartha was the 1st nation I won a MP game with and as such I have always had a soft spot for the nation. It had a very sad game in the 1st megagame, sieged by indie knights early on and never recovered. I think its often overlooked in MP but it is a mid - late game powerhouse.

Zeldor · #**1186** October 9th, 2008, 06:07 PM

I must admit that I really like them now. If they had better early game they would be probably my favourite nation. Even with awake SC I got it was very lucky to survive, especially with Lanka so close.

DonCorazon · #**1187** October 9th, 2008, 06:19 PM

I think LA Agartha's profile has been on the rise, and now more than ever has a big "Rush Me" post-it stuck to the back of its head. Its early game is truly horrific.

I just tried them for the first time and faced an immediate hydra rush (no diplomatic messages returned), followed by extortion attempts/war threats from my 3 other neighbors. Diplomacy doesn't seem to be as effective as people consider LA Agartha a late game threat. Of course, I lack Zeldor's silver tongue

I expect nations that I don't even border will start sending me death threats. Hell, people not even in the game might start telling me to give them stuff.

Xietor · #**1188** October 9th, 2008, 06:32 PM

For the record, on turn 64, if someone takes a week off, and has not staled before, they are not going to be put on ai or a perm. sub found like at the start of the game. Especially when someone gives notice that they are leaving town for a week. That is not an unexplained absence. Nor will the game be delayed for a week while they are away.

And it is not the game admin.'s job to find temp sub for people that go on vacation, or get called out of town for a week for work. While I was able to find a sub in the case of LA marignon, I do want to make certain that it is not to be expected. And I could just as easily, and just as properly, let him stale for the week he was gone.

He has allies. And it is in their interest far more than mine to see that he has a sub. So if I have the time to find someone a sub in the future, I will happily do so. But it is not my job. Had Jazzepi remained game admin., it would not have been his job.

Now had Admiralzhao not said a word and just had unexplained stales, then that is more of a cause for alarm. But no one at this stage of the game is going to be replaced when they say they are going out of town for a week and stale turn for a week.

/cheers.

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JimMorrison · #**1189** October 9th, 2008, 06:49 PM

Tell em how it is, daddy.

Xietor · #**1190** October 9th, 2008, 07:40 PM

"It looks like LA MArignon really needs a sub. Staling 2nd turn now? And in a war against X, where he can take huge advantage of that... not really a fair position, especially with X as game admin [not accusing anything, but I'd rather see game postponed by 24h to find a sub then see big nation like that going down because of that, or set to AI either]."

I had meant to respond to this post by Zeldor earlier but got sidetracked with the capital posting. About 2 posts before this post by Zeldor, Admiralzhao said he was going to be traveling for a week and asked if anyone knew of a sub. He did not even make a sub needed separate post. Shrug. But he may not have had the time.

But in the future, if anyone, Zeldor, the staling nation's allies, or any other player wants to try and find a temporary sub, they have my blessing.

But it is always the player himself who has the primary duty to find his own sub. The game admin, whether he is at war with a staling nation or not, has no greater duty then anyone else to find a player a temporary sub.

Now if the situation calls for a permanent sub., then the game admin may have to get involved. But again, I would think that the player himself, or his allies would prefer to find a perm. sub who is aligned with them, rather than have me or someone else find a sub who is not.

If no one else can find a perm. sub and sonofxietor(no relation of course) takes over la marignon and seems to switch sides in the war, i do not want to hear any complaints.
Now that is an obvious exageration but in perpetuality when evilhomer suggested his best freind(folket) take over a large nation i recall velusion's sarcastic remark like "i should have got twinofvelusion to take them over."

In short, who takes over a large nation in the endgame may determine who wins the game. I would prefer it is not me that has to find a perm sub for anyone at this stage.
Because I do not want to be accused of bias or taking sides. It may be in your best interest to ask around and see if someone who does not hate your guts is interested in perm subbing in this game.

It is getting to the late game. And as some players come to the realization that they are not going to win the game(as typically happens when said nation attacks xietor

), their interest in continuing a late game war where battles take hours to scrpit(if you want to win them) wanes.

And real life may just prevent players from being able to properly devote the time it takes to fight a late game dominions war. So it is never too early to start asking around to see if anyone may be interested in subbing into this game and helping you out. It is not needed yet, but it is likely going to be needed over the next 10-20 turns. Or it may be needed with LA marignon. We shall see.