.com.unity Forums
  The Official e-Store of Shrapnel Games

This Month's Specials

Raging Tiger- Save $9.00
winSPMBT: Main Battle Tank- Save $6.00

   







Go Back   .com.unity Forums > Shrapnel Community > Space Empires: IV & V

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1471  
Old April 27th, 2009, 05:13 PM
NTJedi's Avatar

NTJedi NTJedi is offline
General
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: az
Posts: 3,069
Thanks: 41
Thanked 39 Times in 28 Posts
NTJedi is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Balance Mod Available for SE:V

No custom ship sets.
The number of colonies range between 2 to as high as 24.

2 seem to be doing good researching levels
7 seem to be doing average researching levels
8 seem to be doing poor researching levels

I'll be sending the savegame soon... perhaps I just had bad luck.
__________________
There can be only one.
Reply With Quote
  #1472  
Old April 28th, 2009, 04:49 AM
Arralen's Avatar

Arralen Arralen is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: 500km from Ulm
Posts: 2,279
Thanks: 9
Thanked 18 Times in 12 Posts
Arralen is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NTJedi View Post
Here are the settings I've used: ..., medium AI difficulty, ....
I bet this is to blame.
I started at least 3 games with high difficulty/low bonus and paradise quadrants, and never noticed any "main nation" AI turtling in any deparment.

In fact, I had to go in settings.txt and reduce the AI bonus from 2.0 to 1.3 to make the game more sensible - AI was just "pouring all over the map", those with a good start developing an expansion speed that left me no choice but to restart (I'm playing with simultanious move, so there's no way to "manually" beat down fleets of 5 times mine's size ...).

As I'm always trying out new mods with master password enabled and all scores visible, it's easy to look into it if something really goes wrong. Yet, the AIs are doing quite well .. notice the Abbidons are completely out-researching me (again), despite having only 2 planets more then me !!!
Just in case somebody wonders - player 13-17 are obvisouly minor AIs which do not leave their home systems. Yet No17 seems to have gotten a lucky draw ... .
While looking at this - would it be possible to make shure that minors build intel centers?

Code:
Play   Ress   Reas    Int   Tech   Sys  Planets  Pop
 1   205659  27140   9888    74    12     35    14547
 2   307655  33661  10190    85    17     39    14678
 3   299299  23459   8430    85    13     31    12293
 4   293068  45185   9240    96    13     37    14920
 5   211536  30192  10335    80     7     19    11722
 6   153791  23598   5995    77     8     25    12668
 7   152219  23628   5670    87     6     19    13568
 8   239393  20072   5280    74    12     32    13868
 9   142391  26448  10015    81    11     24    11372
10    93741  20459   7820    79     7     15    10782
11   225398  12266   3210    70    15     36    12294
12   195353  12758   5400    73     6     19    10683
13    81347   3129      0    43     1      2     5443
14    39923   4165   2510    43     1      4     3200
15    26438   3149   1210    43     1      3     2680
16    24768   2952      0    43     1      1     2500
17   104384   3609   1405    45     1      4     4656

Last edited by Arralen; April 28th, 2009 at 05:06 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #1473  
Old April 28th, 2009, 05:11 AM
Arralen's Avatar

Arralen Arralen is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: 500km from Ulm
Posts: 2,279
Thanks: 9
Thanked 18 Times in 12 Posts
Arralen is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Balance Mod Available for SE:V

Some notes from my "test" games:

- AI uses up to 10(!) light organic armor in FF
- AI uses 1 main gun on Troop Transport, but no PD (e.g. Ukra-Tal 1x Acid Globule)

- AI offers nonaggression in all systems with 5% ressource tariff upon first meeting, even if they're rated higher
- minor AIs still offer intersettling treaties, now even "bribe" to get them offering tariff or tech levels (which they normally don't have)
- in general, AIs are still much too eager to do intersettling treaties
- AI asks for military assistence for a mere trade alliance treaty (trade 15% / non agg. in all sys. / share maps / share minef. codes / share medical)


- would it be possible to edit the default TF/fleet formations? E.g. have TFs flee in formation to give them better PD coverage, or have ships abort attack at 5%-10% (internal) damage ?
__________________
As for AI the most effective work around to this problem so far is to simply use an American instead, they tend to put up a bit more of a fight than your average Artificial Idiot.
... James McGuigan on rec.games.computer.stars somewhen back in 1998 ...
Reply With Quote
  #1474  
Old April 28th, 2009, 07:34 AM
Captain Kwok's Avatar

Captain Kwok Captain Kwok is offline
National Security Advisor
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 5,623
Thanks: 1
Thanked 14 Times in 12 Posts
Captain Kwok is on a distinguished road
Wink Re: Balance Mod Available for SE:V

There's no implementation of difficulty levels in SE5. I also haven't added any difficulty features yet either in the mod. :P

If an AI only has a handful of colonies, their colony type distribution might be skewed towards whatever the planets it has are best at.
__________________
Space Empires Depot | SE:V Balance Mod
Reply With Quote
  #1475  
Old April 28th, 2009, 10:44 AM
Arralen's Avatar

Arralen Arralen is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: 500km from Ulm
Posts: 2,279
Thanks: 9
Thanked 18 Times in 12 Posts
Arralen is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Balance Mod Available for SE:V

Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Kwok View Post
There's no implementation of difficulty levels in SE5. I also haven't added any difficulty features yet either in the mod. :P
Oh, really? I guess the following options are purely cosmetic, then?



I'm not sure 'bout the AI difficulty level which was turning off ministers in SE4 and supposedly is in SE5 as well, but I'm pretty sure the "Computer Player Bonus .." lines in settings.txt do work, e.g. while the doubled research points do not show up in the comparison screen, they do show up on the research screen if you log into an AI position (but they're gone as soon as you hit "end turn", for obvious reasons)

Code:
//--------------------------------------
Computer Player Bonus Points Multiplier Low                           := 2.0
Computer Player Bonus Points Multiplier Medium                        := 3.0
Computer Player Bonus Points Multiplier High                          := 5.0
//--------------------------------------
Computer Player Bonus Queue Rate Multiplier Low                       := 1.5
Computer Player Bonus Queue Rate Multiplier Medium                    := 2.0
Computer Player Bonus Queue Rate Multiplier High                      := 3.0
//---------------------------------------
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	options.png
Views:	328
Size:	23.5 KB
ID:	8102  
__________________
As for AI the most effective work around to this problem so far is to simply use an American instead, they tend to put up a bit more of a fight than your average Artificial Idiot.
... James McGuigan on rec.games.computer.stars somewhen back in 1998 ...
Reply With Quote
  #1476  
Old April 28th, 2009, 10:53 AM
NTJedi's Avatar

NTJedi NTJedi is offline
General
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: az
Posts: 3,069
Thanks: 41
Thanked 39 Times in 28 Posts
NTJedi is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Balance Mod Available for SE:V

Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Kwok View Post
There's no implementation of difficulty levels in SE5. I also haven't added any difficulty features yet either in the mod. :P
During new game setup, under empires there's a computer player difficulty level... which I setup as Medium.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Kwok View Post
If an AI only has a handful of colonies, their colony type distribution might be skewed towards whatever the planets it has are best at.
Based on my current game it seems the AI opponents need 8 or more planets before investing within research facilities.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arralen
I started at least 3 games with high difficulty/low bonus and paradise quadrants, and never noticed any "main nation" AI turtling in any deparment.

In fact, I had to go in settings.txt and reduce the AI bonus from 2.0 to 1.3 to make the game more sensible ... ...
I see... I was using medium difficulty with no bonus for the computers. Thanks for the suggestion, these first two games are mostly allowing me to learn the game since there's so much to learn. I'm expecting my next game to have increased difficulty settings.
__________________
There can be only one.
Reply With Quote
  #1477  
Old April 28th, 2009, 05:31 PM
Captain Kwok's Avatar

Captain Kwok Captain Kwok is offline
National Security Advisor
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 5,623
Thanks: 1
Thanked 14 Times in 12 Posts
Captain Kwok is on a distinguished road
Wink Re: Balance Mod Available for SE:V

Quote:
Originally Posted by NTJedi View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Kwok View Post
There's no implementation of difficulty levels in SE5. I also haven't added any difficulty features yet either in the mod. :P
During new game setup, under empires there's a computer player difficulty level... which I setup as Medium.
I know there are difficulty settings that exist in the game setup menu, but I'm saying they don't do anything.
__________________
Space Empires Depot | SE:V Balance Mod
Reply With Quote
  #1478  
Old April 29th, 2009, 08:51 AM
NTJedi's Avatar

NTJedi NTJedi is offline
General
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: az
Posts: 3,069
Thanks: 41
Thanked 39 Times in 28 Posts
NTJedi is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Balance Mod Available for SE:V

Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Kwok View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by NTJedi View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Kwok View Post
There's no implementation of difficulty levels in SE5. I also haven't added any difficulty features yet either in the mod. :P
During new game setup, under empires there's a computer player difficulty level... which I setup as Medium.
I know there are difficulty settings that exist in the game setup menu, but I'm saying they don't do anything.
Wow, I had no idea... thanks for the heads up.
__________________
There can be only one.
Reply With Quote
  #1479  
Old April 29th, 2009, 10:57 AM
Makinus's Avatar

Makinus Makinus is offline
First Lieutenant
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Brasil
Posts: 604
Thanks: 0
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Makinus is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Balance Mod Available for SE:V

Kwok: in your page says that the Small Systems mod increases turn processing time... any idea by how much? if it´s less than 50% i´ll try SEV again with your balance mod and small systems mod...
__________________
Currently Playing:
Megamek (latest dev version with home-made random campaign generator), Dominions 3 (with CBM) and Sins of a Solar Empire (heavily modded)
Reply With Quote
  #1480  
Old April 29th, 2009, 12:28 PM
Captain Kwok's Avatar

Captain Kwok Captain Kwok is offline
National Security Advisor
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 5,623
Thanks: 1
Thanked 14 Times in 12 Posts
Captain Kwok is on a distinguished road
Post Re: Balance Mod Available for SE:V

On average, it cuts down the time of the movement phase by about 50%. Overall, I'd estimate you get about 25-30% savings depending on the frequency of combats.
__________________
Space Empires Depot | SE:V Balance Mod
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:59 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©1999 - 2024, Shrapnel Games, Inc. - All Rights Reserved.