[OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics. - Page 166

primitive · #**1651** September 14th, 2003, 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by Alpha Kodiak:
And another:

The Failuremongers

The cheap shot taken by the unfortunate deaths of the French elderly is just sick. Two thumbs down for Mr. Safire.

Unknown_Enemy · #**1652** September 14th, 2003, 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by Alpha Kodiak:
And another:

The Failuremongers

AK, I find this article quite disapointing. Please observe the article from the Asian Times was not resorting to name calling. When I read an article from Stratfor or a major US newspaper, I may disagree with it, but I will never feel insulted.

To my opinion, "The Failuremongers" article is not only offensive but of low quality.

Some would call it propaganda.

rextorres · #**1653** September 14th, 2003, 07:31 PM

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Originally posted by Alpha Kodiak:
Here's an interesting article:

We're Winning this War

This stuff is absurd much less factually suspect to say the least. Should I start trolling the internet and posting biased articles from liberal publications.

[ September 14, 2003, 18:34: Message edited by: rextorres ]

primitive · #**1654** September 14th, 2003, 08:52 PM

Sorry AK, I do not wish to hackle you, but there is just no limit to how much The Failuremongers article p.. me off.

The reasons most Europeans (don't know about Americans, so I won't comment on them) took to the streets in opposition to the war was not because we are some blue-eyed peacenics, or that we had great love for Saddam, or that we hate America. It was because we belived this war to be a mistake that would make the world a worse and more dangerous place. And I for one still believe this and that the aftermath of this (unnecessary) war will fuel religious/racial hatred and terrorism for decades.

I would like nothing better than to be proven wrong. To see new democracies blossom all over the Middle East, to see security and welfare brought to the people of Iraq and the neighboring countries. Only time will tell if this will happen, or if terrorism will rise again, if USA (or FN) will be bogged down in an occupation for decades, or if Iraq will be lost to religious fanatics.

But if the worst happens, and my darkest predictions are proven right, I will certainly not gloat (Schadenfreude) over it.

Baron Munchausen · #**1655** September 15th, 2003, 04:13 AM

There are still a few sane people left in the US after all. Protestors at Boston University play the Imperial March as Ashcroft arrives for another 'Patriot Act' rally!!!

http://www.dailytrojan.com/article.d...9-ash.12c.html

I should point out that this 'public campaign' to build support for the Patriot Act is not at all public. These events are closed to the public. Only invited guests (vetted right-wingers like police officers) are allowed to attend in order to prevent just these sort of protests which are occurring at Ashcroft's arrival.

It sure would have been funny to see Ashcroft step out of his Limo to the strains of the Darth Vader theme...

Gozra · #**1656** September 15th, 2003, 05:15 AM

I found it interesting how much the media is involved in saying how we are failing in Iraq and that things are falling apart. It is similar to the TET offensive in the veitnam war it was a stragic victory for the communist because the american media portrayed it as a big defeat for South Vietnam. Yet in reality it was a descisive victory on the ground. Last night I watch an HBO movie about Pancho Via. I was shaking my head over the way the media used and abused the truth for their own ends. And it is still going on today. I for one do not trust the media even when I agree with them. I don't think we are winning in Iraq neither do I think we are losing. I don't think George Bush did the wrong thing but I know that all orginazations make decisions based on incomplete information. I am afraid that's just the way it is. The best we can do is hope for the best and plan for the worst.

Alpha Kodiak · #**1657** September 15th, 2003, 05:37 AM

Interesting. For the Last many months I have had to either ignore threads like this, or be subjected to a continuous stream of attacks against this country, its President, and anyone who dared to support either. The President has been called everything from evil to an idiot, and on more than one occasion, people have expressed that they wished someone would kill him. When I get really frustrated, and object, even in a sarcastic way, to some of this material, I am told that I am out of line, because I am not approaching this garbage as if this were a serious debate.

So I decided to conduct a little experiment. I did a Google search to find some biased material from the other side and posted links to it, just to see what would happen. Lo and behold, the material is highly offensive, calls people names and is just sick. People are p*ssed of at it. Welcome to my world. And I only posted two articles. Try a steady diet for months, it gets really old after a while.

Atrocities · #**1658** September 15th, 2003, 06:44 AM

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Originally posted by Alpha Kodiak:
Interesting. For the Last many months I have had to either ignore threads like this, or be subjected to a continuous stream of attacks against this country, its President, and anyone who dared to support either. The President has been called everything from evil to an idiot, and on more than one occasion, people have expressed that they wished someone would kill him. When I get really frustrated, and object, even in a sarcastic way, to some of this material, I am told that I am out of line, because I am not approaching this garbage as if this were a serious debate.

I know how you feel. But politics is politics is politics. Doesn't matter if the man in offices is a democrat or a republican, there will always be politics.

The economy was beginning to tank in 98, we all know this, so no one can blame it happening on Bush. Then came 9/11 and that to was not Bushes fault. Then the wars. Well these are nessassary evils. Better to fight them now, even without a plan, then encure the cost of another 9/11 and an even more expensive war years down the road.

Things will get better, people will go back to work, and the economy will improve. It takes time, inovation, planning, and many years of growth. All of the things that Bush is doing now will benifit him in the later parts of his second term if re-elected, or the first term of a new president.

I thank God every day that I am an american, our freedom to voice our opinions does not come at the expense of our lives like it did, and currently does for billions around the worlds. (China)

I watched the other day on the news when that lady heckelled Donald Rumsfeld and thought to my self, gee lady you are really lucky to be here in America because in most middle eastern countries you as a women would not even be allowed to speak, and if you did, you would be beaten for it. That if you lived just a month like most arabic women, you would be on the front line thanking our government if they came to your rescue and restored your freedoms.

I don't care who is in office because you can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time.

Time and history will be the ultimate judge regardless of what we think.

[ September 15, 2003, 05:49: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

Fyron · #**1659** September 15th, 2003, 07:33 AM

AK, don't worry. 99.9% of the articles linked to by forum members in these threads are overly biased garbage not worth the cost of electricity powering your moniter to read them.

[ September 15, 2003, 06:48: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

tesco samoa · #**1660** September 15th, 2003, 05:01 PM

thats a good system fyron. keeps you in the dark

and onesided. It is good to read what the world thinks on issues. It is good to read how people disagree with you.

take the time to read as much as possible about the current situation and its history. and if i followed your policy i would never have read rebuilding americans defences