Proportions Prob

[PvK]

Thanks for uploading the game, Mottlee. It's really interesting to see it in progress after 650-some turns! You have some wicked ship designs!

Looks like the AI is breaking down in a couple of ways. One unrelated one is it seems not to be developing very well. I haven't tried to figure out why yet.

I think I see what is causing the DBZ error. The AI defending the planet has a bunch on infantry there... with no equipment. Empty infantry units. I don't know why the AI is doing this, but it is, and that, I think, must be causing the error.

Solutions, then, for the short term, would be to have some human player go run a turn for all the AI, jettison any empty infantry, and maybe set them straight on some other stuff if you want, especially giving them an inf design that uses weapons.

However I guess they may go back to building more. Does anyone (oleg, John?) have time to use this file and try to figure out why the AI is doing this, and come up with a fix?

It'd be good to email MM too to let them know it crashes if there are troops with no components. I can probably make it so Proportions won't allow troops without components, but the AI has a way of ignoring design limits. Might work, though.

PvK

[oleg]

Originally posted by PvK:
However I guess they may go back to building more. Does anyone (oleg, John?) have time to use this file and try to figure out why the AI is doing this, and come up with a fix?

PvK

I did see this problem but could not figure out whats exactly the problem. My guess it is the intermix of "family numbers" between infantry weapon and some other components - AI is trying to put illegal components and create empty infantry. Will have to go through components.txt file.

[mottlee]

Originally posted by PvK:
Thanks for uploading the game, Mottlee. It's really interesting to see it in progress after 650-some turns! You have some wicked ship designs!

Looks like the AI is breaking down in a couple of ways. One unrelated one is it seems not to be developing very well. I haven't tried to figure out why yet.

I think I see what is causing the DBZ error. The AI defending the planet has a bunch on infantry there... with no equipment. Empty infantry units. I don't know why the AI is doing this, but it is, and that, I think, must be causing the error.

Solutions, then, for the short term, would be to have some human player go run a turn for all the AI, jettison any empty infantry, and maybe set them straight on some other stuff if you want, especially giving them an inf design that uses weapons.

However I guess they may go back to building more. Does anyone (oleg, John?) have time to use this file and try to figure out why the AI is doing this, and come up with a fix?

It'd be good to email MM too to let them know it crashes if there are troops with no components. I can probably make it so Proportions won't allow troops without components, but the AI has a way of ignoring design limits. Might work, though.

PvK

Thanks guys, I have tried to "Kill" off the troops on the planet with the same problem and I think I did have it 1X when not Inf was on planet (I think)

Thanks again and for the great mod

[JLS]

Originally posted by PvK:
Thanks for uploading the game, Mottlee. Does anyone (oleg, John) have time to use this file and try to figure out why the AI is doing this, and come up with a fix?
PvK

Mottlee,

Down-load this file and it should fix your Proportions Prob.

1047071210.zip

1: Unzip, copy and paiste the Amonkrie text file into [Proportions/pictures/races/amonkrie ] folder.
2: Load save game you posted; In game (game menu\players) click on Amonkrie this will give you the opportunity to work there empire; play your turn, DO NOT attack planet yet ! end turn when ready.
3: You are now presented with the Amonkrie Empire. Scrap all there infantry, they don’t have many planets and they currently have no troop transports to jettison…. Important: Add (Planetary weapons 10k tech) and move it to the top of there research Queue…

Optional decision here is now needed by you… Since you scraped all there infantry I recommend YOU send yourself thru the Amonkrie a Trade research or better agreement; now, while you can control there actions and you agree to it on your following turn; so they may build there planet Infantry back up…
Then crush them after a given amount of turns have passed, or they break it.

Before ending the Amonkrie turn, re-click players for Amonkrie….

Next turn they will start to auto design and your good to go…

[ March 08, 2003, 13:39: Message edited by: JLS ]

[PvK]

JLS, what did you do to fix it???

Mottlee, if you want to preserve fog of war, you could have another player do what JLS suggests for you. I'd even be willing to do it, if you email me the current turn. I could give the AI a few ideas by playing a turn for each of them, and you might get a surprise or two out of it.

PvK

[PvK]

JLS - never mind - just got your email! Thanks!

PvK

[JLS]

Mottlee , Pvk

I wanted to tinker some more beyond the fix...

But I would like to have two races, UFP Federation and Grone Hive. Mottlee could you upload them for me...

Also Mottlee, are the other basic races standard Proportions races?

[ March 08, 2003, 01:12: Message edited by: JLS ]

[Talenn]

Hey guys,

So what is the secret fix? I'm using a modified Version of Proportion and would like to head this issue off at the pass if I can.

Thanx,

Talenn

[PvK]

Removing shield generation from the infantry designs used by the AI, I think. I haven't studied JLS' files yet, but I think this was the trick.

PvK

[mottlee]

Originally posted by PvK:
JLS, what did you do to fix it???

Mottlee, if you want to preserve fog of war, you could have another player do what JLS suggests for you. I'd even be willing to do it, if you email me the current turn. I could give the AI a few ideas by playing a turn for each of them, and you might get a surprise or two out of it.

PvK

Up_loaded game was the Last turn I have been on hold from then (suffering withdrawls) as to Gorn and the Federarion you (not you PvK)want what? the race Files?
Thanks for the work Guys