OT POLL: Do Nice Guys Finish Last?? - Page 2

Slynky · #11 July 12th, 2004, 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by Traskelion:
Anyway, to the point. As a "nice guy" I can safely say that in SEIV, it will get you beaten around pretty badly by someone more cruel

There is some truth in this. While I understand that "backstabbing" is part of the game, I prefer to be known as a person who would never do that. So, when people are looking to me to consider me for an alliance (or a treaty of some sort), I know they are thinking 2 things: (1) I can absolutely trust him and (2) He'll be so trusting that I can screw him over later. It's a double-edged sword I live with. I hope that people will give more consideration to trying to win the game with point #1 in mind than in point #2. But for those who give more weight to point #2...well, that's fine. I would rather finish 1 game out of 5 in first place by being the "honest/nice" guy than winning 4 out of 5 by backstabbing. As I said below...I like to sleep at night and my gaming conscience won't let me otherwise.

tesco samoa · #12 July 12th, 2004, 05:14 PM

yea but they are high school girls or club girls...

You do not marry a bad guy unless you like being married to an ***.

Long term relationships need a good level of the niceness...

Ps. what do you define nice as

As for work... Everyone at my work is nice... Mind you we do not want to go up the corperate ladder into management... Now there are some nice people who care about their work and help out and take responsiblity for when stuff goes wrong... I return the favour ... To me that is nice at work.

And in life... Hell yea...

p.s. in seiv i try to play to the race i am playing.... So some are nice some are not...

And I have won 1 game without being in a single fight with any race....

AMF · #13 July 12th, 2004, 05:18 PM

Yeah, that's my reasoning too, almost exactly. Now, that's not to say that it doesn't sometimes lead to uncomfortable situations. I *HATE* to attack anybody preemptively, but I also can't envision myself ever not supporting an ally. So, when my allies insist that we go to war against a power whom I have no specific beef with, it puts me in a real bind. In a recent case, I was faced with three allies who made a very strong case for going to war against a Talisman weilding power that eventually probably was going to be a big threat...so, I tried very hard to get a viable casus belli to justify my war on grounds other than "self-interest" - of course, self-preservation is a good enough reason, but to strike someone pre-emptively for that reason is a problematic bit of logic. Perhaps I took too many "ethics in international relations" courses at school...in any case, I would much rather do the "right thing" rather than the "selfish" thing...and it has indeed meant that I generally lose out to other with a more cutthroat approach...Oh well. Better to be known as someone who will go down fighting for an ally, even to the end, than someone who might betray an ally for advantage...

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Originally posted by Slynky:

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Originally posted by Traskelion:
Anyway, to the point. As a "nice guy" I can safely say that in SEIV, it will get you beaten around pretty badly by someone more cruel

There is some truth in this. While I understand that "backstabbing" is part of the game, I prefer to be known as a person who would never do that. So, when people are looking to me to consider me for an alliance (or a treaty of some sort), I know they are thinking 2 things: (1) I can absolutely trust him and (2) He'll be so trusting that I can screw him over later. It's a double-edged sword I live with. I hope that people will give more consideration to trying to win the game with point #1 in mind than in point #2. But for those who give more weight to point #2...well, that's fine. I would rather finish 1 game out of 5 in first place by being the "honest/nice" guy than winning 4 out of 5 by backstabbing. As I said below...I like to sleep at night and my gaming conscience won't let me otherwise.

Slynky · #14 July 12th, 2004, 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Now there are some nice people who care about their work and help out and take responsiblity for when stuff goes wrong...

LOL, no one is perfect. I make mistakes at work (sometimes). The boss knows that. But, instead of taking the usual "try to make up an excuse" road, when I screw up, I say so. I've told the boss more than once when he asked how something happened that, "I forgot about it" or "It's my fault". Been working for him for over 10 years. I still remember the first time he heard me say that (LOL)...the look on his face as he expected a bunch of bull**** excuses. Now, I think, he can depend on me when I give a real excuse...and know it isn't just crap. 'Cause he knows I'll level with him if it was my fault. Though it may not be the greatest way to conduct one's career, I think he appreciates knowing he can depend on the truth.

Aiken · #15 July 12th, 2004, 05:25 PM

According to my pessimistic observations: nice guys die first

And where are too many long living and prospering bastards around. Cruel statistics of RL

Slynky · #16 July 12th, 2004, 05:28 PM

alarikf said, "Oh well. Better to be known as someone who will go down fighting for an ally, even to the end, than someone who might betray an ally for advantage..."

Well said

Renegade 13 · #17 July 12th, 2004, 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by Paul1980au:
Nice guy as in rollover and beg
Or nice guy as in a bit of a bastard if you dont get yorue way but nice to women
Or nice guy im gay and im nice to women cause i wanna shop and gossip with em ?

I know nice guys lose in SE4 unless they make peace the winning option.

In SE4 always have at least 1 war going.

By "nice" I mean someone who isn't a lying, cheating, a**hole bastard. Or maybe even someone who just treats other people well, but isn't a total wimp. I sure as hell don't mean your "nice guy who's gay" option

Probably closer to your second choice.

narf poit chez BOOM · #18 July 12th, 2004, 06:23 PM

* Is listening to Weird Al's Version of 'Dog Eat Dog'. The guy in that song is going to have a heart attack. Or go mental.

Renegade 13 · #19 July 12th, 2004, 06:24 PM

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Originally posted by Gryphin:
I realize your post was partly tongue in cheek cynicism and we are talking �in general�.

Haha you got me Gryphin. Total cynicism. Being the nice guy really doesn't work for me at all. Then again, I'm only 17 years old

. So my experience is kind of limited. But I can't help being the "nice guy". Its who I am, and I won't change who I am.

Renegade 13 · #20 July 12th, 2004, 06:27 PM

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Originally posted by Gryphin:
I personly feel women are excited by "bad boys", but truly want "good boys" for a long term relationship. You might see younger women go for the exciting types but most of them have a realist expectations and no intention of statying with them.

I would agree with you here once again, and this gives me hope. Just kinda sucks sometimes