C'Tis - Miasma, Question about cold blodded

[Chris_Byler]

The progress page states that diseased has a new icon. Presumably this will make it easier to ignore on beings it doesn't affect (demons are also unaffected, as are lifeless beings).

So good MA C'tis pretenders include:
Anything coldblooded or with swamp survival won't get diseased. Wyrm, Father of Serpents, Lord of the Summer Plague, Mother of Serpents, Mother of Monsters, Green Dragon, Serpent King.
Anything undead, lifeless or demonic won't be affected by being diseased. Oracle, Sphinx, Fountain of Blood, Monolith, Prince of Death, Master Lich, Lich, Saurolich, Ghost King, Vampire Queen.
Anything immortal or recuperating will probably recover from the disease before it kills them, and eventually recover from any ailments it gives them. They may be inconvenienced for a while though. Phoenix is the only non-undead immortal available to MA C'tis.

That seems to me like it's actually quite a lot of pretenders (although obviously not all of them). Lord of the Gates, male Titan, Shedu, Mother of Rivers, Manticore, Cyclops, Red and Blue Dragons and most of the humanoids are vulnerable to Miasma and should probably not be chosen.

It might not hurt to give swamp survival to the Mother of Rivers, and maybe throw in a few more usable pretenders for MA C'tis (Moloch and Colossal Fetish would both be immune to Miasma and rather different from the currently available choices, for example), but they do have a pretty decent selection as is.

[Jazzepi]

I do think it's silly the extreme number of pretenders that C'Tis has that can not survive the miasma. Though I guess you could setup a rainbow mage with twice born and teleport them into an enemy army where you have dominion.

Thank you for the exhaustive list Chris.

Tuidjy mentioned...
The (master) lich is the wrong test case, because he is immortal, and can heal afflictions. I tested it with a low death magic ghost king, and sure enough, he was diseased on turn 4.

I'm confused here. I thought a unit that's immortal would have to receive the disease affliction before it's healed? Does this mean that the master lich was constantly getting diseased, and then getting it healed before my turn even came up?

Jazzepi

[Edi]

It's conceivable.

[Archonsod]

Might be an idea to remove the pretenders who will get diseased from the selection screen for Ctis MA. Not sure about giving them more though, imho Miasma plus those already available should be enough...

[WraithLord]

Oh, lately I'm threadmancing a lot.

Well, I've asked in the dom-II forums on a related thread and got no answer (duh).

So I'm asking here:
What could Ctis miasma summon safely (i.e. that won't get diseased) under their dominion. So, of course undead and inanimate or cool as well as lamias (cold blooded).
I'm not sure about the following:
Vine man/ogres and Ivy king
Tree lords
Elemental royalty
Abominations
Trolls
Farie court
Tarrasque

TIA,
WL

[Kristoffer O]

I think anything with swamp survival is OK. Cold blooded might be as well. And undead are never affected by diseases. Not sure about elementals etc.

[WraithLord]

So, I'll venture a guess:

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Vine man/ogres and Ivy king     OK

Tree lords                      OK

Elemental royalty               OK

Abominations                    BAD

Trolls                          BAD

Farie court                     BAD

Tarrasque                       OK

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I'd have tested it but it takes sometime to get to high level summons in a dummy game. Time that I don't currently have

[Zeldor]

Use DEBUG mod, it makes all spells researched and wish for 1S gem.

[WraithLord]

That's a great idea. Could you please point me to where I could obtain said mode?

[Amhazair]

I seem to remember elemental royalty getting diseased too in the miasma. I'm definitely not sure anymore though.