USA: OICW and M8 Rifle.

[Listy]

Originally Posted by thatguy96

Accuracy to the reality on the ground, nothing else. It has a shorter effective range, and its becoming a more common weapon among regular troops who find themselves in want of a shorter weapon for the kind of combat we're seeing in Iraq right now primarily. You'll note that the M4A1 got the XM8's acc bonus in V4, no doubt based on some understanding of better optics being more standard.

I think that's down to the ACOG sight that is appearing more and more. a couple of years ago in Iraq it appeared that almost every photo had a M16 with ACOG. Now it seems to have switched to mostly M4 carbines.

[Sniper23]

no i never did notice the higher accracy,thank's for pointing that out,now it may be worth useing.

[Listy]

Originally Posted by Sniper23

no i never did notice the higher accracy,thank's for pointing that out,now it may be worth useing.

IIRC: Weapons with a Sight unit as standard get Acc 6 Vs Acc1 for iron sights.

Now where's the SUIT sight for the SLR's...

[thatguy96]

Originally Posted by Listy

I think that's down to the ACOG sight that is appearing more and more. a couple of years ago in Iraq it appeared that almost every photo had a M16 with ACOG. Now it seems to have switched to mostly M4 carbines.

I've seen some ACOGs, but I've also seen a lot of non-magnifying optics (EOTech HOLO sights, M68 CCOs, ITL MARS, etc).

In Iraq things have definitely switched over the M4 as far as the photographic evidence is concerned. I'm not sure whether this has been the case in Afghanistan. As I said, the truth of the matter is that unit arsenals probably still have equal quantities of M16s for reissue if the situation was deemed appropriate.

[PanzerBob]

Originally Posted by thatguy96

Accuracy to the reality on the ground, nothing else. ...........SNIPPED FOR BREVITY............. You'll note that the M4A1 got the XM8's acc bonus in V4, no doubt based on some understanding of better optics being more standard.

Our C7's and C8's (the Canadian versions of the M16 and M4) had originally just iron sights then were upgraded with an optical sight. I my own experience, as long as the weapon remains zeroed it provides much more accurate firepower. With our C1 and early C7 I varied on the range from 60% to 90% scores in combat shooting. Once I had the Optical Sight, I shot in the 90's all the time. Many at the time noticed a similar outcome. Of course some just can't shoot no how!

[Marek_Tucan]

I can chime in only with experience with an air gun and the dreaded 4.5mm Diabolo round, but even though the classical airgun has serious accuracy limits (due to moving barrel etc.), mounting (and properly zeroing) a scope significantly improved my accuracy.

[greasy_old_tanker]

If I may chime in on the M16 / M4 issue.

Currently the M4 with the M68 sight is the standard issue for all combat troops and select service support elements (MPs, HUMINT teams, SIGINT teams, generally anyone who does "outside the wire" missions). Support elements (Supply, cooks, transportation, Battalion/Brigade staff.....) use the M16A4.

What is the difference between a M16A3 and M16A4? cosmetic really. The M16A4 has the picatinny rail system in place of the forward handguards.

For me..I'll take the M4 over a M16 any day.

[thatguy96]

Originally Posted by greasy_old_tanker

What is the difference between a M16A3 and M16A4? cosmetic really. The M16A4 has the picatinny rail system in place of the forward handguards.

The M16A3 (M16A2E3) is identical to the M16A2, with the exception of a S-1-F instead of S-1-3 trigger group. The M16A4 (M16A2E4) replaces the fixed carry handle upper receiver of the A2/A3 with a "flat top" rail equipped receiver. Also, while the KAC M5 RAS may or may not be standard issue for various units, the M16A4 is not standard with it and not all A4s I've seen in pictures have had it. For a while after its introduction, M16A4s fitted with the RAS were referred to as "M16A4 Modular Weapon System" or M16A4 MWS.

[Sniper23]

[quote=For me..I'll take the M4 over a M16 any day.[/QUOTE]

if i had to chose between the two the m16 is my pick

[Suhiir]

Guess I'm old fashioned.
I'll take an M-14 over any M4/M16 any day.