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[chuckfourth]

Hi PanzerBob
Actually I dont think there are any other atttributes for German and US OBs that confuse the exp/morale issue. You claim there are, can you tell me what they might be?
Regards Chuck.

[PanzerBob]

Good day, Chuckforth

I guess my explanation is a little unclear.

Within the country codes and with unit codes there things written in to these that make them specifically what they are.

EG: a "Infgruppe SS" has many things that make it so, The Country Code makes it German, as does the unit code makes it a Waffen SS Rifle Squad. These codes impart German Waffen SS attributes to that unit, some of which may be date dependant.

If it was a Heer Infgruppe it would have a German code & Rifle Squad code, making it a Heer Infgruppe, with none of the extra things that a SS Unit would have associated with it.

The Pz Gren code gives those troops better working with APC attributes as another example.

With the Japanese country code the attribute which causes them not to surrender is built in there.

With the Russians within their Country Code is a date dependent overall abilities attribute, which improves as the war marches on.

And a last example, but not least, is the US Regular Army troops. They have a similar code attribute to the Russians, which sees them become better as the war marches on.

Now I'm not privy to all the things written into the codes to make various countries troops behave historically, but, I do know from experience that I can see a difference in how Canadian troops behave and British troops do even.

If these codes were not there, the game play would be pretty flat knowing the Green US Troops can fight the same as Elite German troops.

If this doesn't explain it then maybe we can ask the MOD's to explain it more plainly.......or maybe this is all in my head in that case, maybe it's time to quit playing SP.

Prosit!

[narwan]

Hmm, I think you're reading to much into this. There are some nation specific abilites but as far as I know it's not nearly as elaborate as you think it is. It would be extremely hard to quantify and judge. Experience and morale are basically what drives the fighting abilities of a unit (besides their gear off course). So I don't know what to make of your remark that "If these codes were not there, the game play would be pretty flat knowing the Green US Troops can fight the same as Elite German troops" as GREEN troops (exp<60) obviously don't fight the same as ELITE troops (exp>80).

Country specific code elements are things like the japanese and marines 'no surrender' ability. Hmm, can't really think of another country specific ability I know off actually. Nor can I think of any special things associated with a german unit being SS as opposed to those from other branches, besides the above mentioned exp and morale scores.
Those scores do fluctuate between years illustrating overall developments.

There are bonus' to specific types of formations like the Ghurka's bonus to melee combat and (not completely sure though, I'd have to check) mech infantry getting a bonus to their armor skill score. But that's about it. If there's more it would be new to me...

[chuckfourth]

Hi PanzerBob,
So checking the leavenworth Article, Baggypants article and as an example, the performances of the American 90th and German 91st divisions. I would have thought American Morale (Rallying) should be lower than the Germans in 44. German Divisions were still performing well if not Miracles on all fronts throughout 44 and the vast majority had seen plenty of action and had excellent leadership. American Divisions in Pacific and Italy have no doubt by 1944 made up for there poor training through hard experience, but there is still the New American units that landed in NW europe and apparently underperformed. ie put simply I imagine their training wasnt hard enough to prepare them for what was to come. So considering all theatres I cant see that American Morale, ie Rallying, ie Leadership, should be higher than German in 44.

Best Regards Chuck.

[PanzerBob]

See my "Hardwired" Country Atributes Thread.
Prosit!

[baggypants]

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[Marek_Tucan]

It'd be interesting to see how would Germans cope with assaults of prepared Allied positions in the Bocage.

[PatG]

Marek_Tucan said:
It'd be interesting to see how would Germans cope with assaults of prepared Allied positions in the Bocage.

Set it up and play it.

[Marek_Tucan]

PatG said:
Set it up and play it.

Meant IRL, not in SP Were there any larger attacks from German side against prepared fdefenses in the Bocage? IIRC Mortain was already in open country, no?

[Noah_Vaile]

It looks to me that this war has been very poorly planned for and incompetently executed. It is clear that we have been defeated on the battlefield and that the entire world, primarily Western Europe, is against us, disapproving of our beligerant and imperialistic actions in our unprovoked war against Mr. Hitler's Germany and their allies. Our few allies, in Eastern Europe, Great Britain, Australia, et al have lost faith in our ability to bring this war to a successful conclusion and I call upon the United States Senate and congress to bring official censure against Franklin (De Warmonger) Roosevelt, redeploy our troops from the European continent, and pay whatever reparations that Germany feels are called for.