Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"? - Page 209

Slynky · #**2081** January 5th, 2004, 04:08 AM

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Originally posted by DavidG:
Any of you guys stuck in the line waiting for a game and feel like a practice game let me know. Note that I'm no longer in the hill because I don't want to commit the time and the KOTH clone thing is getting a bit boring. So if anyone wants a game possibly like the following let me know at dgunsten@sympatico.ca :

expect at least a turn a day but maybe not much more.
Ruins (unbalancing? who cares it's fun)
No mines
No training
any other wierd settings you want.
such as:
must take a racial and use only racial weapons

Is there a way to prohibit training?

I try to keep my games to rated ones but I might enjoy a rematch.

By the way, chess uses the same pieces on the same board and the same settings. Why is KOTH such a clone?

Slynky · #**2082** January 5th, 2004, 04:17 AM

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Originally posted by geoschmo:

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Originally posted by Slynky:
I hear that the 1,000 points isn't worth it yet I've had more than one player, when deciding settings, ask to exclude it. If it's not worth the 1,000 points, then it would seem people would WANT me to waste them. I can spend those 1,000 points and still get around 130% off/def, and 3 other special traits. So, in the future, if it's a waste of points, then let me waste them and don't propose we exclude it from choice...

It's all part of the mental game Slynk. You think ancient race is crucial. If I can get you to not use it then in your mind you are playing at a disadvantage. Even if I don't really think it's that big of an advantage having it, the important thing is how much it screws with your head not to have it.

Leave it to you to go "mental" with me...

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Of course, I think, I play just as well without it...I mean within what it contricts me to...which is the same as it constricts the opponent. You DID whomp me in our KOTH game, though...I think having ancient in that game may have helped but who knows for sure.

geoschmo · #**2083** January 5th, 2004, 04:25 AM

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Originally posted by Slynky:
Is there a way to prohibit training?

You could turn off advanced military tech and psychic tech. Or simply a gentleman's agreement.

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Originally posted by Slynky:

By the way, chess uses the same pieces on the same board and the same settings. Why is KOTH such a clone?

Hear hear. Even if everybody did use exactly the same empire setup there is still enough variety in game play style and the random element to keep me interested. SE4 IROC, so to speak. But beyond that, the "koth clone" isn't exactly a firmly defined set of characteristics. People mostly agree on the basics, but not all the specifics. There are many differences in degree.

DavidG · #**2084** January 5th, 2004, 04:37 AM

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Originally posted by Slynky:

By the way, chess uses the same pieces on the same board and the same settings. Why is KOTH such a clone?

99% of opening chess moves P-KP4. how much more cloned can you get?

Please don't make me list the ways how all SE4 games are similar.

Slynky · #**2085** January 5th, 2004, 05:37 AM

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Originally posted by DavidG:

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Originally posted by Slynky:

By the way, chess uses the same pieces on the same board and the same settings. Why is KOTH such a clone?

99% of opening chess moves P-KP4. how much more cloned can you get?

Please don't make me list the ways how all SE4 games are similar.

It's P-K4 (which, by the way is the old way of notation). It's written that way to save time while on the clock. After all, only one pawn can get there.

But you display a strange attitude...chess has, for years, been considered the greated game of all. I'm sure there are "Go" enthusiasts among us (and I used to give a 3-stone handicap for anyone I played 'cause the chances of them being any good at "Japan's chess" were slight) who might disagree.

But, disregarding chess, SE4 offers the same thing (with the inclusion of some luck...which chess doesn't really have to deal with). You have a board layed out in front of you and though you might do some of the same things, you generally find you have to adapt to the map (board), and ships (pieces) and opponent in order to get a win.

But, that aside, don't throw chess into the same bucket as SE4. Until you have studied the game as much as I have, know as much as I do, understand it is a worldwide game, Don't assume it is a boring and redundant game. I forget the statistics but in the hundreds of thousands of games that have been recorded for history, there has been about .0001% occurance of a repeated game. And those were short.

Slynky · #**2086** January 5th, 2004, 05:43 AM

Yes, Geo, but by turning off Adv Mil Tech, you take away hyper optics. As to gentleman's agreement, I suspect most anyone would prefer something that is more "enforceable" and "verifiable". For my part...I could handle it with the appropriate honesty but the first time that a fleet of mine destroyed a fleet of the opponent, I wouldn't want to have to undergo the "accusation" of "you must have trained them!". God knows I hate spending time training ships/fleets anyway!

Anyway, back to the subject...there is no way to turn off JUST training.

geoschmo · #**2087** January 5th, 2004, 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by Slynky:
Yes, Geo, but by turning off Adv Mil Tech, you take away hyper optics.

True enough, but what of it? There are other components that can do the job of hyper optics. You can research gravatic sensors in about the same time you'd have hyper optics, and tachyeon sensors in just a few more turns then that. Or if you take the temporal race trait you could have temporal sensors in less time then any of them. There are psychic sensors as well, but I already suggested turning off psychic technology to eliminate the psychic training facility.

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Anyway, back to the subject...there is no way to turn off JUST training.

Not without a mod, no. However, a mod to turn them off only would be a very simple one.

tesco samoa · #**2088** January 5th, 2004, 01:28 PM

if there is four perhaps a rule that another level gets added

So the four can fight it out and then the two winners fight it out

Asmala · #**2089** January 5th, 2004, 06:19 PM

RexTorres, BBegemott, how the King match is going? Any estimations how much left? There is a nice queue and I'm thinking if I should do something to that.

Geckomlis · #**2090** January 5th, 2004, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by Asmala:
RexTorres, BBegemott, how the King match is going? Any estimations how much left? There is a nice queue and I'm thinking if I should do something to that.

Not that I ever get to be a Contender

, but IMO there should never be more than one Contender. I would like to see levels added and deleted as conditons change.