Conceptual Balance Mod v1.92 - Page 22

Mightypeon · #**211** February 11th, 2012, 05:06 AM

+1 to rain of stone nerf criticism.

Corinthian · #**212** February 14th, 2012, 02:20 PM

I am neutral to the RoS change. But only because I was personally abusing it quite a lot in earlier versions of CBM and it made my opponents miserable. I like that it requires more research though. People almost never research evo 8&9 previously unless they had nothing else to research.

LA Jomon
LA Ulm
LA Caelum

Can also cast RoS.

Immaculate · #**213** February 15th, 2012, 11:28 AM

Some thoughts on patala:

The golden naga should be amphibious like all other naga.
The casting monkeys (gurus?) should have stealth. As is they have near zero mobility and a morale of seven. To make them somewhat better and still remain thematic, a stealth +0 option would be nice so they could accompany the stealthy monkey armies and provide a slightly stronger raiding vector.

samoht · #**214** February 15th, 2012, 12:34 PM

Excuse the ignorance, but is there a list somewhere that documents all the changes between Vanilla and the current CBM?

kianduatha · #**215** February 16th, 2012, 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samoht

Excuse the ignorance, but is there a list somewhere that documents all the changes between Vanilla and the current CBM?

No

I'm supposedly making one, but I don't have time at the moment to actually work on it. There's a start to it down in this thread. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=46904

Corinthian · #**216** February 16th, 2012, 12:26 PM

When I want to know what CBM does I have found it most useful to just open the mod file in wordpad and have a look. Even if you are not a coder or a moder you can still often determine approximately what something does. And even if you cant, there are plenty of comments in the code explaining most of the complicated stuff.

Shangrila00 · #**217** February 16th, 2012, 03:07 PM

Possession, I just found out about this CBM spell playing LA Ulm. It seems pretty interesting, a cheap zero research GoR that eats a mage. Really nice for nations with cheap recruit anywhere S1s like LA Ulm. So question:

1) How many nations have this spell?

2) Obviously all the normal things you might GoR, you can now do more cheaply like Gargoyles and Crushers and what not, but there must be things that you'd normally not consider GoRing but might be worthwhile possessing. I was considering Demon Knights as cheapo thugs with built in fear and very low encumbrance, but LA Ulm has no easy way of getting Demon Knights. What other options are there that people have found?

Soyweiser · #**218** February 16th, 2012, 08:51 PM

Eating a mage is a very big thing. Mages win games(*). So it isn't that useful.

iirc only la ulm has it. But there might be one other nation that has it.

(*)Actually mage turns win games. A mage can only do one thing each turn, search, forge, move research etc. By using possession you use up the mage turns for the rest of the game. Usually, this isn't worth it. Even with cheap mages. (As recruiting a mage also costs a fort turn).

Shangrila00 · #**219** February 17th, 2012, 03:20 AM

If you have sages, every year a bunch of them will get diseased at which point they might as well be used to possess something. Occasionally, you'll get a diseased astral Black Priest. And sure, recruiting an Illuminated One solely for possession costs a fort turn, but so does recruiting a thug for nations that have them. It'll be worth it if the result is good enough. Not sure a Demon Knight would be worth it, but there should be something useful.

llamabeast · #**220** February 17th, 2012, 09:22 AM

LA Man also has the spell. And maybe LA Arco? Can't remember.