new SEIV milestone reached

[David E. Gervais]

Q: Since when is SFI in control of the 'content' of the CD? I was/am under the impression that Malfador is the one who decides the CD content, and therefore Aaron is the one to speak to.

I'll see if I can get Aaron to make an 'Official' post on his site about what exactly the differences between se4:Gold and seeluxe is. At the very least it will help the existing fan base in their decision to buy or not to buy this new release.

Cheers!

[Gandalf Parker]

Nope, no sarcasm there. Strat-1st will be the legal side of the CD. So even if it is SEIV Gold it probably has to be called something different than that. And whether Aaron wants it or not Strat-1st may have jumped on the announcement after deciding that the way things were done with the mods and tools freed them of need to contact the authors. Usually something isnt announced if there might still need to be negotiations on it. From what other authors have posted about Strat-1st once the contract is signed, some things are decided without them. Aaron of course is the mostly likely source for who is deciding what goes on it though.

As far as the things that Shrap has done those are all true statements also. People hanging around in only one forum might not know of all of it but its all cool stuff.

Gandalf Parker

[Suicide Junkie]

I don't expect them to be stupid enough to blatanty rip off the community's mods and tools.

If shrapnel did it, they *might* get away with just a massive loss of respect and reputation instead of legal action.

[Gandalf Parker]

"rip off"? I dont think it would be considered a rip off to not ask about things if they dont need asked about. But I dont know what arrangments were made on the last disc. Was it ask and kudos? or was there money involved?

[Suicide Junkie]

While the tools and mods are free to download, selling them without the author's permission is a different story.


Now, if they are only going to be using the really really old mods and shipsets and whatnot that were on the SE4 Gold CD, then Aaron has already got permission.
But if such is the case, then the newsletter entry on SE4 Deluxe is somewhere in the range of misleading to lying:

This Deluxe Edition adds all the latest tweaks and upgrades, as well as including all level and campaign design tools, allowing anyone to become a part of the expansive Space Empires Mod community.

[tesco samoa]

Hey GP whats your goal here..... ?????

I am sorry to the community and to shrapnel but I am getting a little ticked off by what you have been doing here in these threads over the last two weeks.

Things change.... The community has already figured that out and we are all going with this. Were looking forward to SEV and at the same time were all still here at shrapnel. We are branching out and trying other games.

Please if you have a stone to grind take it up with Aaron.

SEIV is a game that is 4 years old. It has been a great success at shrapnel. It has built a community that in the long run will benifit shrapnel. I do not see those who have been here at the beginning posting away about this. Just you. A few have raised a few concerns. But we all realise that it is just a game and that Aaron wishes to try something new.

I support him on his new venture and hopefully will help him meet his goals. Cause life sucks and most people want to remind you of that every day. And the Shrapnel community is a place that is so unlike every day life where people help you and welcome you. For me and for a few others here that has become a very important fact in our lives. I am very glad I found shrapnel. It has helped me through some troubled times in my life. I have helped some through their lives.. I have also seen people leave here but were still friends and we carry on supporting each other.

Yea its long winded. But hey I have thought long about this post and then written it in 4 minutes

Just let it go and look forward to the 101st

[Fyron]

I can confirm that SEIV Deluxe will just be the latest version of SEIV with the extras included on the Gold CD. I do not believe that Aaron was planning on getting updates or anything...

[Gandalf Parker]

*sigh* I guess the name change must be because Shrap sold the SEIV Gold edition. Couldnt be named the same. Oh well it will still let me continue getting people to get it.

Well you could still do an update CD yourselves. Get a CafePress shop and attach it to PBW, upload an iso image, its available right away to be cut&shipped for each order individually. It could stay the base price of 4.99 or be set at some other price (5.99, 7.99, 9.99) with the profits going to PBW. I think it would be a great idea.
www.OddThotz.com/CafePress.html
Add manuals, tshirts, a mug with the keypresses on it. Whatever

[David E. Gervais]

Gandalf, when you say make an 'Update CD' what are you talking about? If you mean make a CD of SE4:Gold patched up to v1.91 then in effect you are blatantly using Cafe Press to 'Pirate' SE4:Gold, Saying the profits go to PBW is just setting them up for the fall.

..If on the other hand you mean make a compilation of the latest editions of the various mods, well, that's different,.. you would still need to get permission from all the mod builders to include their mod on such a compilation. In this light it could very well be an interesting proposal.

So, which of these two did you mean?

Cheers!

P.S. I just thought your post was a bit 'ill-written' to have undertones of piracy even if that was not your intent.

[Gandalf Parker]

Oh no! Im quite paladin on the subject of pirating and I often take flak on the subject from friends. Ive even recently finished catching up my shareware and freeware on registrations.

I would very much like to see an effort made to get all of the mods caught up to work with SEIV Deluxe, made easy to install, and packed onto a single add-on CD for sale to support PBW.

MODs, Races, FAQs and Manuals, tools. Maybe even some demos for the programs that come up in the "how can I make my own" questions

Gandalf Parker