does anyone else think province defense can be levied to quickly?

[DLC]

the thing is you would have to move that army to the front... with PD you have it exactly where you want it if you have the money to spend(Fever fetisches, blood stones)

[numskully]

the thing is you would have to move that army to the front

so true, why do that when you can levi a pile of PD that you dont have to pay upkeep on, can be levied in one turn, and respawns if not killed in one turn

Or by not using alchemy and keeping 1275 gold worth of fire gems you could summon 15 summer lions which would most likely rip up that PD as well.

you can summons all those in one turn? and they are all in the choke point also?

Then your buddy is being foolish. For the same 1275 gold, you can recruit a MUCH stronger army that can move (for instance, 10 Knights and ~60 Longbows, which will beat nearly any province defense... would have problems vs 50 Jotuns and possibly vs Ulm's pd, but that's about it). Province defense isn't useful enough to buy 50 points of it vs humans unless you literally have nothing else to spend it on.

you can recruit that army in one turn in a castle that is pulling resources from one other province? please tell me how

[Wyatt Hebert]

Is there anything saying that you have to do all of it one turn? Patience, people, patience. This isn't the clickfest type game. Sometimes you have to allow losses to happen. Next time he pulls something like that, let him buy 50 PD. Don't bother attacking that province!

He just sunk 1200+ Gold (51*50/2, to be exact... gotta love Gauss) into defending somewhere you won't attack, and you can hit him somewhere else.

Also, what race is he playing?

Wyatt

[SurvivalistMerc]

The existence of this thread really surprised me. I have never considered PD to be all that overpowered.

And as pointed out it's immobile. Not only that but often the leaders are wimpy. Look at the priest that leads low-level ulm PD. Not exactly my leader of choice unless I'm facing undead. And if the leader dies the rest retreat as you know...so with good PD, I still usually put another commander there.

My usual PD is in Gandalf's range, except I pay for 21 defense wherever I have a castle. That's probably overkill, but I really dislike losing castles.

[numskully]

to Wyatt Hebert: he is using Mictlan

Is there anything saying that you have to do all of it one turn? Patience, people, patience.

i guess we are more proficient dom 2 players. choke points are a major advantage. we push through land like nothing to get to these, and send out searchers behind. we dont seem to do much magic study untill we find a sage magic site, or if we have cheap researchers. after gaining control of major points and feel sucure, we will get other units to capture the land we skipped. no time for making temples, unless they are worth 100gp (man/pang) untill we got the map tied up.

[fahdiz]

Originally posted by carpet herpes:
i guess we are more proficient dom 2 players. choke points are a major advantage.

NOW you're just trolling. LMAO, there are people on this board who could school you ten times at this game before you'd even get to log into the server. And you're "more proficient" because you see an imbalance where there isn't one?

I'm sorry. You win the flamebait of the day award. Here's a virtual cookie.

[numskully]

to fahdiz: try to control your ignorance please

And you're "more proficient" because you see an imbalance where there isn't one?

i never said anything like that

[ March 31, 2004, 01:32: Message edited by: carpet herpes ]

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by carpet herpes:
to Wyatt Hebert: he is using Mictlan

Then he just utterly wasted 1200 gold for 50 slaves, and 50 armorless warriors. You should be able to rout them with minor battlefield spells and about 20 heavy infantry.

choke points are a major advantage.

I take it you don't play with flying troops much. They can completely bypass choke points.

we push through land like nothing to get to these, and send out searchers behind. we dont seem to do much magic study untill we find a sage magic site, or if we have cheap researchers. after gaining control of major points and feel sucure, we will get other units to capture the land we skipped. no time for making temples, unless they are worth 100gp (man/pang) untill we got the map tied up.

Sounds like you're asking to have your empire beaten down by someone who concentrates on fast expansion along with a massive research push and maintaining your dominion.

[DLC]

mictian pd is worthless yep

[tinkthank]

This is a bizarre thread, havent seen its like on this forum before; almost has this odd aggressive feeling I have only seen on WarcraftIII and similar Boards. Why, for example, must Fahiz bridle his "ignorance"? I don't see why you write that, Carpet Herpes. (What an... interesting... moniker.)

I agree with the people who don't feel that PD is overpowered. I basically ignore it when playing with or against Mictlan and Machaka and others with useless PD; PD can be quite effective, however, with some races, such as Jotunheim or Abysia sometimes. I do play Abysia quite a bit, and I usually try to get somewhere around 11-20 if I can afford it (because I usually have an upkeep problem); this lets me supplement defense with just a few units and a caster nicely. Actually, I like PD and often try to boost it up to 20 unless I am playing Mictlan or Machaka; I just feel safer against those Call of the Wilds and whatever sends those harpies, not to mention spies and whatnot.

I don't think there is ever any sense, however, in spending 1200 gold on defense. Even if you got three amazing +500 GP events and there are no mercs available and you have maxed out your resources in every province and cant build any temples, labs, or fortresses -- I'd save that money for when I could do some of those things. But I suppose to each his own. But I certainly wouldnt want Illwinter to "nerf" PD, I think it is fairly decent as it is now.