LA Atlantis, another thread looking for tips - Page 3

Taqwus · #21 July 5th, 2007, 04:56 PM

You can't assassinate PD commanders. You can't do anything to them outside of battle with the PD, actually.

Lazy_Perfectionist · #22 July 5th, 2007, 08:08 PM

Drat. Thanks for the answer, Taqwus.

vfb · #23 July 6th, 2007, 12:06 AM

About the underwater recruitables:

Yeah, it kind of seems sucky that there's no recruitable underwater LA Atlantis mages.

But the Consorts are great! 80 gold for: (27HP, thick skin, 12MR, 16 strength, self-blessing) is pretty cheap. I'll stick some winged boots on them to get around the movement problem, probably a frost brand since I've got so many water gems, and whatever other cheap gear I can think of. 12 attack is mediocre, but with a Frost Brand it doesn't matter all that much.

I didn't find a use for the underwater infantry, but the Shield Wielders are great crossbow/arrow chaff.

Humakty · #24 July 6th, 2007, 07:40 AM

I think the Assartut low resource cost mahes them interesting for beginning the game. I had a SP game where I was facing man and I had no problem punching through their lines (mostly used glaives). I almost never use chaff units when I can avoid it, I prefer to use my gold on powerfull units. I think chaff is mostly a weakness, specially the harpoon throwers, which will do almost no damage at range before getting killed rapidly in close combat, closing your army to the deadly 40 % loose.
LA atlantis must rely on damage dealers (glaive people) 'cause you've got no archers at the beginning, and it's pretty hard finding cold immune indeps.

Sombre · #25 July 6th, 2007, 08:37 AM

I entirely agree regarding chaff - because of the way the morale system works chaff is very rarely a good idea.

SelfishGene · #26 July 6th, 2007, 10:36 AM

Assartuts and other cheaper sacred capital units are excellent for continuous early expansion. Many play up the ability of certain nations like Ermor or Pythium to expand from turn one, but at turn 4 a nation with cheap sacred and a good bless like Atlantis can expand continuously with hardly any reinforcement every turn after. (I think the Eagle Warrior and Shadow Vestal are the kings and queens (respectively) of cheap capital-only sacreds.)

The Assartut's big weakness is it's relative lack of armor, but as above, this makes it easier to mass them in numbers. And being cheap they are easy to maintain.

Harpoon throwers have only one selling point and that is they are the only unit that can be quickly massed by Atlantis: everything else is quite expensive in resources. Atlantis' high resource cost is a big weakness after a major defeat, they have a hard time coming back.

Lazy_Perfectionist · #27 July 6th, 2007, 01:27 PM

I believe those harpoons actually decrease defense, though I've had quite a bit of trouble tracking their effects throughout a battle.

Chaff is an exceptionally good idea when facing heavy cavalry, though I haven't tried other counters. Can any of the other units handle cavalry charges?

Sombre · #28 July 6th, 2007, 02:44 PM

Units with good def can do ok vs cav without having to die in the process. At least in my experience.

Lazy_Perfectionist · #29 July 6th, 2007, 02:52 PM

You've got a good point there. The seal hunters and snow warriors have no real defense, but the Ice Guards (w/sword) have a defense of 15. How good is okay? The gold cost is a lot lower, but looking at resources, I could get 6 seal hunters.

Shovah32 · #30 July 6th, 2007, 06:42 PM

Assartuts, combined with a death bless(i like a dom9 D9 Prince of Death with LA atlantis) can do some very nasty things to thugs and SCs, particularly those nasty early expansion pretenders. The prince himself on the other hand can nicely get those big globals up for you and makes a nice SC of his own when outfitted properly.