How do you fight the Niefel giants?

[Huzurdaddi]

Kuritza said:
'Any numbers' is the keyword here. If they arent killed in the first two rounds of combat, they arent killed at all. Its unsettling.

IIRC, Ulm dual weilding troops easily win against Niefel Giants with equal Gold cost. Although they will cost more resources.

Basicailly you need cold resistant high damage troops. Sadly those are not in abundance.

Finally, WRT Fomorian giants, Giants without cold auras are not nearly as frightening. You can probably kill them with simple barbarians (which can also work, simetimes, with Niefels). The cloud trapeze is a very nice though. Air > Water.

One more time though: skelly spam > Giants.

[sum1lost]

however, formorians can swim and throw javelins, making them rather dangerous. Especially when you cast spells like mistform or soulvortex or both.

[Kuritza]

>> One more time though: skelly spam > Giants.

Tried that. Skelly spam costs too much fatique for a regular D3 or D4 mage; even with reinvigoration of about 6-7, 5 mages spamming skellies couldnt hold 5 niefel giants.

[Huzurdaddi]

Kuritza said:
>> One more time though: skelly spam > Giants.

Tried that. Skelly spam costs too much fatique for a regular D3 or D4 mage; even with reinvigoration of about 6-7, 5 mages spamming skellies couldnt hold 5 niefel giants.

What?!!? What temperature was the province?

[Valandil]

Well, N9E9 niefelheim is pretty hard. Nonetheless, unless your mages were in full plate armor, they should have taken zero aggregate fatigue damage with a reinvig of 7 and death 4. Zero.

BTW, neifel giants can be slaughtered by sauromatia using poison archers, hydras (though not cost-effectively at all).

[Lingchih]

Or just Charm them. I've totally lost track of which nation this was originally posted for, but Pangaea can just send a bunch of Pans, and charm the whole freaking army, Jarls too.

I lost so many Jarls to Carlosib in Ludus by this method, that he ended up having more Niefel Jarls than I did. And I paid for and equipped them all.

[Agema]

Instead of spamming skeletons, could you spam ethereal troops?

Giants are few in number and thus have few attacks - I think it's 75% chance of avoiding a hit for ethereal troops. A giant will kill a basic unit almost as easily as a 1HP phantasm, but they'd have a boatload of misses. Could this be better to hold them than skeletons?

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Reinvig of 7 and death four? 0 aggregate fatigue?
Raise Skeletons has fatigue 40.
Animate Skeleton has fatigue 30. I can see how negation takes place with this spell...

but raise skeletons has fatigue of 40, path 2. At D4, the cost would be 40 / (excess levels+1) or 13.

If they didn't have that high MR, you could drain life to recover fatigue- but as they do... No.

If you have the time and the mages, Darkness can help. Even if your army consists of regular troops, it affects elites more, working to your advantage. Plus it will significantly help with the survival of your skelies/ghosts.

For the record, you can spam ethereal troops. Niefel Giants do not have a magical weapon and the area-affect weapons they do get at con 4 are cold and death damage. So dispossessed spirits may get hit by a magical weapon, but only one at a time.

Now how effective any of this is? I'll probably be finding out, starting next to Niefelheim in Doom Chicken. None of the above is a tested strategy yet.

[Edratman]

Lazy_Perfectionist said:

Now how effective any of this is? I'll probably be finding out, starting next to Niefelheim in Doom Chicken. None of the above is a tested strategy yet.

It would be great if you reported any successful strategies from this game.

[Folket]

Drain life is not resistable. But not fast nor easy enough to mass.