Global War (upgraded to 3.20) - Page 30

Kheldron · #**291** July 10th, 2008, 05:20 AM

Satyres and dryads alike wail as the flames rage through the arcane laboratory in their capital. Countless mages look stunned as their dreams are turned to ashes.
Why is fate so cruel at this point of the race...?

CUnknown · #**292** July 10th, 2008, 11:21 AM

Must be the Burninator's doing, I think you should attack him. It was a Slayer special forces unit, must have been. It's the only explanation.

Kheldron · #**293** July 11th, 2008, 06:07 AM

When I compare graphs with other games I've got running in MP, I must say I'm really impressed by what QM has achieved so early in the game, especially in research.
And especially since I took Shinuyama off a MA game by turn 15 in another MP game...really nothing to compare with.

GG QM ^^

CUnknown · #**294** July 11th, 2008, 08:40 PM

QM's strength is impressive, but we still have to play it out. Remember that the Neutrals must kill every single other player in the game to win (i.e. standard victory condition).

The Goods must only eliminate the Evils to win -- it doesn't matter if QM has 5x the number of provinces that team Good has total, if all the Evils die, the Goods win (if they still are in possession of all their starting capitals).

The Evils must destroy all of Good + Neutral to win. This admittedly seems unlikely for them at this point, although it is not as tough a victory condition as the Neutrals have.

And remember that you (Pangea) and Ryleh are also extremely tough, as seen in the score graphs. It seems like you and Ryleh still have time to do something about Shinuyama, at least to me.

quantum_mechani · #**295** July 11th, 2008, 09:23 PM

Hey, now, my research may have a big edge, but that isn't as useful as it appears. Research is a capped commodity, there is only so much to have, and eventually everyone is going to get it. So really what I have is small window to take advantage of it.

As for the gems, I really don't think anyone should be that afraid of the 60 water/fire gems per turn that make about 75% of my income. This is compared to R'yleh which I am reasonably sure has a much nicer mix of gems, and without worries of dispelling either. Not to mention we are fast approaching the late game where starspawn are superior to bakemono sorcerers in almost every way.

In any case, good still has all the nuetrals beat collectivly by quite a margin.

DonCorazon · #**296** July 11th, 2008, 09:35 PM

I'll have to remember the old "research is a capped commodity" spin job for the day I am leading research by a magnitude of 100x. Reassuring to know that when Eriu catches up in ~ 30 turns we'll all be even. Then. In 30 turns. If we are alive.

quantum_mechani · #**297** July 11th, 2008, 09:43 PM

Heh, seriously though, what am I going to do with all this research before other people catch up? I can't exactly build a SC army with just water and fire gems, and my income of other types is pretty pathetic. Battle spell wise I've already had about the best stuff my mages can cast for quite a while and I haven't exactly been mopping up.

DonCorazon · #**298** July 11th, 2008, 09:55 PM

Fair enough. As one who once had aspirations of being a leading researcher and has since been forced to take his mages out of the library and onto the battlefield just to survive, your problem is one that I wouldn't mind having. But I appreciate you making me feel better that I should not be worried. Ahem. Cheers!

Baalz · #**299** July 11th, 2008, 10:26 PM

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quantum_mechani said:
In any case, good still has all the nuetrals beat collectivly by quite a margin.

INDEED, THE BURNINATOR IS AT AN ALL YOU CAN EAT BUFFET! MMMMM, WHAT IS COOKING NOW?

CUnknown · #**300** July 12th, 2008, 12:37 AM

"Good still has all the neutrals beat collectively by quite a margin."

Umm... QM ... what are you smoking?? The only way the Goods have a chance (and we do have a chance) is that we only have to kill the Evils to win. Obviously killing all the Neutrals would be impossible for us. You three are far and away superior, even with our ability to work together. Fortunately, you three are not on a team.

Or did you mean, any -one- Neutral against the -entire- good team? Then, yeah, we still have you beat, I believe. But not by a whole lot.

If you combine our researches, we still aren't equal to you. If you combine our gem income, we still aren't equal. I don't think anyone is buying that "research isn't a big deal" or "all the gems I have suck" argument.

But, even so, the other 2 Neutrals and the Burninator are also very strong. And as a group, Good is strong as well, so it will be interesting to see how it plays out!