I Was Ripped OFF!

[johan osterman]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
He sacrificed TV just for that? Not that I like TV or anything, but it does seem a more worthwhile use of time.

Heh.

[Atrocities]

Thanks Norfleet

[Tumba]

I have to agree with Johan. I was a new player who had no idea how the game works or what is good to doo and what is not.

I never hit the L4 barrier, neither did my friend I tried it with. We did hit the 40 turns limit several times, HARD. It left us screaming for more, much more. But then again that is why there is a demo. If you want more buy the damn game.

If the demo had been any longer, we would have propably just played it, since the game itself is quite expensive with shipping and all...

So to summarize my opinion. The demo of Dom2 was perfect for hooking new players. Who cares what the old players think of it? They have hooks in them from playing Dom1 anyway.

Let's hope there's a Dom3 coming at some point, so I , as an old player, may ignore the demo and buy the game and hope that the demo lures some new newbies in to get thrashed by me. Ah, can't wait... fresh meat...somebody that actually might even loose to me...

By the way, I do demand that Kalevala is included into Dom3. I know it's an evil Swedish plot to humiliate their dear neighbour, but I must protest to the absence of it.

It would be fun to use some song magic and earth magic to summon an Iron pike (Rautahauki, Järn gädda) or cast a "field of asps" onto somebodys province. It could even have sub-themes like Pohjan akka (Hag of Pohjola) or the Bear cult.

Black swans of death, hiisis, asp arrows, lots of different forrest spirits, magic based on singing and chanting, reindeer riders, even moose riders, the great forge of Ilmarinen, Sampo, shamanism...

Oops, I'm ranting...

[Cainehill]

[quote]Originally posted by Norfleet:

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Originally posted by Atrocities:

[qb]Q 2. If your Pretender God is killed, how do you get another one?

Priests may "Call God" when your pretender is dead. After 40 priest-rank-turns, your God respawns in the capitol, minus 1 to all of his magical paths, if any. He may also heal some afflictions.

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Just to clarify :

20 low powered priests (lvl 2 holy skill) calling their god back gets him in 1 turn (20 x 2 x 1 turn). 10 average priests (lvl 3 holy) would get him back in 2 turns (3 x 10 x 1 turn).

If you have a mixture of priests, it can be worth while to track how many 'priest-rank-turns' you accumulate, so you can return some to more productive tasks if you'd go over 40. (Holy priest mages researching/forging, inquisitors preaching, etc)

[Ivan Pedroso]

I love this game, and I enjoyed the demo too.

I remember being so frustrated that I couldn't cast spells above level 4, that I looked through all of the nations and themes to see if any had starting spells that were above level 4. I stumbled upon Jotunheim/Niefelheim and their Illwinter spell, so I ran a game with them and hunted some slaves and was finally ready to cast it. And what happened ? The game crashed and the "något gick fel"-text appeared (I guess because I was violating the level 4 limit). Well I'm Danish, so reading this made me laugh my *** off and wanting the game even more

[Boron]

Originally posted by johan osterman:

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Originally posted by Boron:
with the dominion 2 demo it doesn't matter any more most fans already own it

but for dominions 3 it would be a shame if 10-20% less copies would be sold only because of an unfortunate demo restriction by a too short / too frustrating turn limit .

Why do you assume that the turn limit has cost dom 2 sold copies? There is little or no evidence that the game has sold less copies due to the 40 turn demo limit. There was however some evidence that a few players was so well saisfied with playing with the demo of dom 1 that they thought it enough for their dominion needs and therefore never bothered to get the full game.

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but in the dominions 2 demo you already could only chose 7 nations and the lvl 4 research limit was still in it
so i think the 40 turn limit was unneccesary because even without that you only saw about 25% of the game so you still want to buy it but have a bit better overview

the dominions 1 demo was like 50% of the game that was of course too much


a question : i myself "only" own dominions 2 because i heard the first time from dominions 3 months ago . i played the dominions 1 demo while i waited for my dominions 2 copy arriving
because dominions 2 is perfect i see no need to buy dominions 1 too .
if i knew from dominions before dominions 2 came out i would have bought this too

so my idea : because i would still love to play dominions or your former game conquest of elysium once (if only for a short time because dominions 2 is simply even better) .
but still paying 20-30$ for conquest of elysium or dominions 1 i don't see any reason to because i know from the demo that dominions 2 is even better .

so when you offer dominions 3 could you perhaps include an original copy of dominions 1 + conquest of elysium as bonus ?
i think when dominion 3 comes out no one still buys them but it would be a nice bonus because i could test them and others could wallow in nostalgy and get a new replacement for their old scratched cds of conquest of elysium + dominions 1

this should make no or almost no extra costs but would be nice i think

[atul]

Originally posted by Tumba:
By the way, I do demand that Kalevala is included into Dom3. I know it's an evil Swedish plot to humiliate their dear neighbour, but I must protest to the absence of it.

Of course, you have the power to pay them back. Kalevala-mod! Make it replace Vanheim to add an insult to injury, no more norses around. ;p

But were someone make such a mod, I'd think Vanheim would be a proper nation to be replaced as they share many traits in common - a bit of a cold preference, mythology originated near same geographical area, both at odds with same kind of people; Jotuns / people of the north. (for some reason I've identified Jots with the northern people of Kalevala: well, they're more north, bad guys and that Hag is somewhere in between norna and gygja, although a lot beefier)

I was entertaining a thought of making something a bit... similar just for a pastime a while ago, but it seems I won't have time/energy to start any mods as I feel there's so much to learn of the original nations still.

[johan osterman]

Originally posted by Boron:
but in the dominions 2 demo you already could only chose 7 nations and the lvl 4 research limit was still in it
so i think the 40 turn limit was unneccesary because even without that you only saw about 25% of the game so you still want to buy it but have a bit better overview

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The essential advantage of the turn limit is that it removes functionality, not just limit the features. At first when the dom 2 demo was released a few players complained that there were more than enough features and that some time spent on making these features should have been spent in other ways instead, improving graphics and whatnot. These players might well be satisfied with a demo that is just feature curtailed and that does not have a turn limit, so in order to encourage these players to buy the game the demo was slapped with a turn limit. Shrapnels staff also suggested this, and they have prior experience in this area. 40 turns is plenty time to grasp enough of the game to conclude if you will like it or not. A less restrictive demo might lead to less frustration amongst demo players but I doubt it would impact sales in a positive way.

[Karacan]

Originally posted by johan osterman:
A less restrictive demo might lead to less frustration amongst demo players but I doubt it would impact sales in a positive way.

What?! You're really in it for the money?

I wouldn't have bought Dominions I if the demo was as restrictive as the DomII demo - I loved the fact that I was able to complete games, and the fact that me with my full Version could netplay against demo-using friends of mine. This was great.

I finally bought it because I wanted to see all facets. And because it was cheap, and very very enjoyable. I only preordered DomII because of being (still) in love with DomI, and I'll preorder DomIII for the same reason.

[Agrajag]

Quite honestly, a turn limit demo would just make me upset, upset enough not to buy the game (and perhaps obtain it in um... other ways).
Though I didn't check the demo before getting Dom2 =P
You have to remember that its a pirate world out there and there's nothing you can do about it besides being nice to the paying customers (or having really cool MP option with really sucky SP options and an Online CD-Key check for MP).