OT. Where they really on the moon?

[raynfala]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
You are thinking probably of the general background radiation in space that we are protected from by our atmosphere and the magnetic field of the earth. This is a concern, one that we will have to resolve if we want to do any long-term trips to mars or other planets. But for a trip of a few days to the moon it's just not an issue.

At least not one that we are aware of. There may be some long term health effects of even short term cosmic background radiation, like increased risks of cancer or something. It's hard to tell though because we have such a small sample of astronauts to study and they are in such extrodinary health otherwise. But it's not like being cooked in a microwave oven.

I do recall reading on one of the "moon-hoax-debunking" sites that the astronauts probably were bombarded by this radiation. The astronauts mentioned that, during their moonwalks, they would occasionally see these odd, inexplicable flashes of light. In all likelihood, this was the occasional cosmic ray penetrating their helmet and striking somewhere along the retina or optic nerve.

--Raynfala

[Ruatha]

Originally posted by raynfala:

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Originally posted by geoschmo:
You are thinking probably of the general background radiation in space that we are protected from by our atmosphere and the magnetic field of the earth. This is a concern, one that we will have to resolve if we want to do any long-term trips to mars or other planets. But for a trip of a few days to the moon it's just not an issue.

At least not one that we are aware of. There may be some long term health effects of even short term cosmic background radiation, like increased risks of cancer or something. It's hard to tell though because we have such a small sample of astronauts to study and they are in such extrodinary health otherwise. But it's not like being cooked in a microwave oven.

I do recall reading on one of the "moon-hoax-debunking" sites that the astronauts probably were bombarded by this radiation. The astronauts mentioned that, during their moonwalks, they would occasionally see these odd, inexplicable flashes of light. In all likelihood, this was the occasional cosmic ray penetrating their helmet and striking somewhere along the retina or optic nerve.

--Raynfala

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I don't see how that would casue them to see light. Cosmic radiation does not induce synapzic potential if I remember correctly, neither should it excite the receptors in the retina.

[PsychoTechFreak]

Originally posted by oleg:
China is planning to send people to Moon in five years. Then we will know

Is't it ironic - it is entirely possible that soon China will be the only nation who send manned space expeditions ? (shuttles are ground, russian space program has no money)

Really? I haven't heard about it yet, just about Japanese plan to send a probe.
But what is the profit out of a money grave like a manned expedition to the boring trabant? Science?

[Ruatha]

From what I've heard China (sic) has plans to send a probe to the moon, but no actual plans for a manned voyage.

[ March 05, 2003, 19:59: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

[QuarianRex]

Originally posted by Alpha Kodiak:
I certainly wouldn't put it past our government to try to fool us, but there is no way that they could cover up such a hoax. At the least, there would be Congressmen and Senators that were privy to that information, and that is a guarantee that it would be leaked.

Think of how much harder it would have been to cover up a fake moon landing than to cover up Watergate, and they were unable to do that.

Ahh... but think of the motivation. The Last pledge of a recently assassinated president was that americans would reach the moon before the end of the decade (and before those commie bastards too). The end of the decade draws nigh and there is no way you can do it. Failure would betray the memory of a dead president who had virtually been canonized by the american people and be an unbearable embarassment and show of weakness during the cold war (something that could NOT be allowed).

Taking all this into consideration perhaps it would be wise to, shall we say, bluff. And besides, its just so we can meet a deadline... yeah, thats the ticket. We would have gotten it eventually...

Let a generation or so pass and look how that one little event has so impacted the national psyche. Most of the people who were there are dead now so who is to say ant different? Besides, people want to believe it. How long can you lie to yourself before it becomes truth?

Saying that such a hoax could never have been perpetrated shows a gross lack of understanding of the human psyche, both of the perpetrators and of those who would be duped. Comparing it to watergate is pointless. People want to see powerful individuals fall. People are more than willing to believe in corruption. Now, you show people that they can do the impossible (giving them credit for it, however small) and you'll have to use the jaws of life and a cattle-prod to pry that belief from them.

[Fyron]

Originally posted by QuarianRex:

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Originally posted by Alpha Kodiak:
I certainly wouldn't put it past our government to try to fool us, but there is no way that they could cover up such a hoax. At the least, there would be Congressmen and Senators that were privy to that information, and that is a guarantee that it would be leaked.

Think of how much harder it would have been to cover up a fake moon landing than to cover up Watergate, and they were unable to do that.

Ahh... but think of the motivation. The Last pledge of a recently assassinated president was that americans would reach the moon before the end of the decade (and before those commie bastards too). The end of the decade draws nigh and there is no way you can do it. Failure would betray the memory of a dead president who had virtually been canonized by the american people and be an unbearable embarassment and show of weakness during the cold war (something that could NOT be allowed).

Taking all this into consideration perhaps it would be wise to, shall we say, bluff. And besides, its just so we can meet a deadline... yeah, thats the ticket. We would have gotten it eventually...

Let a generation or so pass and look how that one little event has so impacted the national psyche. Most of the people who were there are dead now so who is to say ant different? Besides, people want to believe it. How long can you lie to yourself before it becomes truth?

Saying that such a hoax could never have been perpetrated shows a gross lack of understanding of the human psyche, both of the perpetrators and of those who would be duped. Comparing it to watergate is pointless. People want to see powerful individuals fall. People are more than willing to believe in corruption. Now, you show people that they can do the impossible (giving them credit for it, however small) and you'll have to use the jaws of life and a cattle-prod to pry that belief from them.

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Too bad that such a hoax was never perpertrated, and we did indeed send people to the moon.

[ZeroAdunn]

Well, I have yet to see any proof that we didn't go to the moon, all the evidence against it that I have seen and read is either grossly innacurate or people jumping on the bandwagon and not noing anything about it.

Maybe his video shows full proof that there was a fake, unfortunately, he is asking $20 dollars for it, which proves to me he is no fighter for truth and justice, just a man out to make a buck, and probably just as morraly banckrupt as the people he claimed perpetrated this hoax.

George Washington, the "Father" of our country, considered it a disgrace to his office to lie about the complete depravity of the condition of his army's morale, competence, resources and numbers against the attacking British army. He refused to "white wash" his dispatches to congress in order to boost their pride or spirits. This kind of leadership, "I cannot tell a lie," is sorely missed in our government.

-Wow, this is grossly innacurate, this really makes me question his credebility.

[geoschmo]

If it was all just a hoax, why go to all the trouble of fabricating the near disaster of Apoolo 13?

If it was all a hoax, why stop with Apollo 17, instead of continuing the charade through all of the originally planned lunar missions?

If it was all a hoax, why didn't the numerous Soviet spies within Nasa reveal it for what it is? They would have been thrilled to expose such shenaigans to the rest of the world during the middle of the cold war.

[Alpha Kodiak]

Originally posted by QuarianRex:

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Originally posted by Alpha Kodiak:
I certainly wouldn't put it past our government to try to fool us, but there is no way that they could cover up such a hoax. At the least, there would be Congressmen and Senators that were privy to that information, and that is a guarantee that it would be leaked.

Think of how much harder it would have been to cover up a fake moon landing than to cover up Watergate, and they were unable to do that.

Ahh... but think of the motivation. The Last pledge of a recently assassinated president was that americans would reach the moon before the end of the decade (and before those commie bastards too). The end of the decade draws nigh and there is no way you can do it. Failure would betray the memory of a dead president who had virtually been canonized by the american people and be an unbearable embarassment and show of weakness during the cold war (something that could NOT be allowed).

Taking all this into consideration perhaps it would be wise to, shall we say, bluff. And besides, its just so we can meet a deadline... yeah, thats the ticket. We would have gotten it eventually...

Let a generation or so pass and look how that one little event has so impacted the national psyche. Most of the people who were there are dead now so who is to say ant different? Besides, people want to believe it. How long can you lie to yourself before it becomes truth?

Saying that such a hoax could never have been perpetrated shows a gross lack of understanding of the human psyche, both of the perpetrators and of those who would be duped. Comparing it to watergate is pointless. People want to see powerful individuals fall. People are more than willing to believe in corruption. Now, you show people that they can do the impossible (giving them credit for it, however small) and you'll have to use the jaws of life and a cattle-prod to pry that belief from them.

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I would say, rather that it is currently in vogue (perhaps it always has been) to try to rewrite history more than it is that people of an era are so easily duped. It is not popular for Americans to have actually accomplished something significant, so therefore it must not have happened.

I do believe that the space program took the wrong turn at the point when President Kennedy made the pledge to put a man on the moon. We lost the development of reusable spacecraft in favor of the quicker-to-produce, one-time mortar shots that we got. Nonetheless, they did work, and I will need to see and hear far better evidence than I have seen to believe that the moon landings were fake.

Incidently, if the moon landings were fake, the Russians would have known about it, as they must have been tracking the spacecraft by radar. I doubt if they were in on the conspiracy.

And one final thought: if the program were a fake, Apollo 13 was sure an odd exercise to go through.

[Alpha Kodiak]

Beat me to it, Geo!