C'Tis - Miasma, Question about cold blodded

[Sombre]

I don't think you can immunise lizards with the appropriate poison res spells, since the ai refuses to cast +50 res spells on units with over 50 poison res. It does this to avoid going over 100. If however the spell gives poison res 100, then it works fine no matter what the poison res of your units.

[ano]

Most of C'tissian infantry have 50 poison res so AI should cast Poison Ward on them.
If I understood you right, Sombre.

[Amhazair]

Kuritza said:

Lets see. Frost brand is not armor piercing and its AOE doesnt affect undead. Sometimes its a really big downside. Hydra skin armor and boots of quickness means death from encumberance unless chassis is undead. So your options are REALLY limited.

Well, yes. Obviously on a chassis that has encumberance problems you'd pick other items (boots of the messanger for example). But yes, you're limited (if you don't manage to find a way to diversify ). You do have a good base setup, but can't adapt to many things your opponent might throw at you. Another big issue you didn't mention is that you can't really get fire/lighting immunity.

Bane and Bane lord are rather weak and cannot teleport. Golems are possible only if you took a rainbow pretender. Elemental royalty is also something you will never get with your national mages. Blood magic is also very tricky for CTis, so no devils. And no national summons.

Oh, I see. I was too hung up on looking at summons that would be affected by miasma as opposed to what you are able to summon with your national mages. Again, I mostly agree, though I have to say that I'll take a bane lord over a golem any day of the week.

Thats theory, right? You look at the race and think - wow, they can do this and that!

No, it isn't. I used Foul vapors to devastating effect time and again in the game I've played as C'tis. Worked absolutely awesome. Depeding on the opponent I did set up far back with all my troops on guard commander, so they didn't come within reach of the enemies evocations.

So we agree that skellie spam with d2 mages is ineffective unless you field lots of mages. And then your enemy might bring along some priests... But still yes, in a very big battle your mages can skellie spam. But then, somebody might think - hey, he brough 20+ mages! Where's my rain of stones?

Well, that's not unique to C'tis. Any race with human-sized mages is in danger against rain of stones.

Thats hardly an advantage because they are also a race that needs lots of mages on the battlefield to do any good, as we agreed.

Just the opposite. If the mages were capital only there'd be no way to get the necessary number of mages in the field. Being recruitable everywhere gives you the possibility to 'out-mage' your opponent.

I like the plural on a summon that costs 40 nature gems. You also want to cast Gift of Health, equip thugs with hydra skins and eye shields and probably make clams, right?

Well, depends on the size of your empire. I meant one Couatl per really big communion you assemble. (I'm talking Master Enslave size, smaller spells such as will of the fates can just be cast by the shamans themselves) So probably no more than one or maybe two for this purpose unless we're talking about deep endgame large empire struggle for world domination scenarios. It's also a pity the couatle can't equip rune smashers.

Ok, I'm not saying they are hopeless.

Good.

Now, instead of mediocre, say "A nation with a number of challanging difficulties, that requires planning and thoughtful play to get the most of" Sounds a lot better doesn't it?

[Amhazair]

Sombre said:
I don't think you can immunise lizards with the appropriate poison res spells, since the ai refuses to cast +50 res spells on units with over 50 poison res. It does this to avoid going over 100. If however the spell gives poison res 100, then it works fine no matter what the poison res of your units.

I never noticed any problem like this. Granted, most of the time I just cast the battlefield-wide version, which definitely worked fine. I can't remember any issues with the smaller area versions, but it is possible I just didn't notice it at that time. (Or forgot between then and now. )

The marshmasters themselves have 75 poison resistance, but the regular troops and most commanders just have 50. I'm not sure how that influences things.

[MaxWilson]

konming said:
I think seraph and chayot also get diseased.

Chayot has secondshape so can almost ignore disease--if anyone ever manages to kill you you'll come back with (sometimes) fewer afflictions. I recently killed a Dai Oni prophet with one eye only to have his spirit rout off the field with no afflictions. I did him a favor by killing him! Chayot is like that, x3.

-Max

[JimMorrison]

Kuritza - I think his point was they are very cool, and they do have tools that can be effective. I can't count how many times a tactic has been suggested to me, and my experience with it was not very exciting, or I have tried something new that seemed to work great, and other people shot holes through it.

I don't think anyone said MA C'tis is going to be in the top 3 "most likely to win" MA nations, only that they are fun to play, and very interesting and flavorful.

[WraithLord]

Changing MA Ctis in a way that will allow them to branch into blood (not too easily though) would go a long way to improve MA Ctis mid to late game.

This may be unthematic though, so I'm not sure I like to idea.

[Endoperez]

Giving any nation a 120gp, sacred B1 mages would go a long way to improve its mid to late game. It'd be an easy enough mod, but I don't like the idea in base game.

[WraithLord]

Make it 180, non sacred 2 sorcery radnom pick, this way it will be a tough decision whether or not to diversify into blood.

[Tifone]

Mmmh I can't see those lovely little lizards sacrificing people Joking, but even I have doubts on the thematicness of C'tis going into the blood magic :\