MP: Noobs and Vets II: Days of Infamy. MA, BI. Game Over. Supplicants Triumph!

[Septimius Severus]

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

Since its early, let me chime in here.

I *hate* themes. Let players choose the nations they want to play, via points choices, whatever.

I don't care if you want to apply game conditions- only water gods, only rainbows.. only left handed red haired stepchildren.

But after that let people play as they want.

It would be interesting if all 3 teams were all the same nations, for example bogarus, mictlan, and Ermor. Or whatever.

I'd also like to suggest using the BDS mod: No bogus random sites.

Thanks for your input Chris. You hate themes? I love themes. Especially if they can be fleshed out and are workable. I like the 3 realms especially. Sure they cut down on freedom somewhat, but that is sorta of the goal behind the RPG/Roleplaying/Scenario deal. I think though there may be more than 4 viable choices of nations for each of the themed teams so there may be some choice (if we only go with 3 human teams) and a wide selection (much more than the current game) of pretenders. Benefit of predefined or semi predefined teams (nations) saves time (unless your cool with first come, first sever) no need to auction/bid/ or use another scheme to assign nations. This game type doesn't appeal to everyone though, I am aware of that.

Interesting idea about duplicate nations, possible with the multi era mod, don't know about single age without creating duplicate nations.

Will look into the BDS mod.

Only 3 pretenders left to go:

Arco
Bandar Log
Marignon

[AlgaeNymph]

Originally Posted by Septimius Severus

Sure they cut down on freedom somewhat[...]

More importantly, they cut down on the min-maxing, squabbles over who gets what nation, and playing to win instead of to have fun.

[Squirrelloid]

Originally Posted by AlgaeNymph

More importantly, they cut down on the min-maxing, squabbles over who gets what nation, and playing to win instead of to have fun.

The problem is that arbitrary restrictions hurt nations asymmetrically. Nations who want to take pure scales aren't very effected by having their pretender options limited. Bless nations who happen to get the blesses they want 'in-theme' stay really good.

On the other hand, bless nations who lose access to the bless they want are severely hurt.

Similarly, any nation who needs a rainbow pretender gets the shaft since you seem to have decided its unthematic to use your pretender to diversify. While nations who already have quite diverse magic don't get hurt as badly.

I'd say this makes the min-maxing worse, because there are some nations that are clear winners, and some nations that are clear losers, even moreso than usual (since you generally can't use your pretender to make up for your liabilities with the draconian restrictions imposed).

[Septimius Severus]

Originally Posted by Squirrelloid

The problem is that arbitrary restrictions hurt nations asymmetrically. Nations who want to take pure scales aren't very effected by having their pretender options limited. Bless nations who happen to get the blesses they want 'in-theme' stay really good.

On the other hand, bless nations who lose access to the bless they want are severely hurt.

Similarly, any nation who needs a rainbow pretender gets the shaft since you seem to have decided its unthematic to use your pretender to diversify. While nations who already have quite diverse magic don't get hurt as badly.

I'd say this makes the min-maxing worse, because there are some nations that are clear winners, and some nations that are clear losers, even moreso than usual (since you generally can't use your pretender to make up for your liabilities with the draconian restrictions imposed).

Good counterpoints Squirrel. But you do sorta make the case for experienced players and the play to win mentality (perhaps the two go hand in hand). Well, I suppose you can't have your whole RPG cake and eat it too (or can you).

There are of course many ways to play and view the game. Many ways to view the nations. I tend not to view players or nations or anything or anyone else as "winners" or "losers" but that is just my naive thinking perhaps.

I think though that with 3 paths instead of two we might capture more of the thematic essence (such as in the 3 realms idea) of many nations and also expand the bless options. And pretender options will be greatly expanded.

[Septimius Severus]

Reminder, two pretenders left to upload:

Children of Crom:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWEQi...eature=related

Marignon (Jorus)

Usurpers:



Arco (Penguin Zero)

[ano]

I think that if everything has been discussed, then these guys' teammates are perfectly capable of uploading pretenders for them.

[Septimius Severus]

Margie is in!

[Squirrelloid]

Sure Ano, but I'd like to know Penguin is actually about and paying attention since the game is going to start shortly after his pretender is uploaded. I for one don't want to have to play multiple nations!

[Septimius Severus]

Originally Posted by Squirrelloid

Sure Ano, but I'd like to know Penguin is actually about and paying attention since the game is going to start shortly after his pretender is uploaded. I for one don't want to have to play multiple nations!

A prudent decision, though I share Ano's desire to get underway as soon as possible, I am aware part of function of pretender uploads is also to make sure the player is still alive! I don't want anyone playing multiple nations on a long term basis.

Options for Usurpers:

I still have Kupiko listed as an alternate for your team and Chrispedersen as Team Advisor. Perhaps either one can return.

Tonno, our alternate, may be interested (just needs to be sworn to secrecy/forget what he knows) , or perhaps someone else you know.

Let's try to get underway as soon as possible though.

[Squirrelloid]

If Penguin is still nonresponsive tomorrow, I support finding someone to replace him.

Note that I'm only subbing for Chrispedersen, so Chris stepping in to fill Penguin's shoes isn't really an option. He should be replacing me around the end of the week.