MP BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!] - Page 43

Shardphoenix · #**421** June 30th, 2012, 01:28 PM

Yeah, winning a noobgame as LA Ermor - so much honor in that.

revenant2 · #**422** June 30th, 2012, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Shardphoenix

Yeah, winning a noobgame as LA Ermor - so much honor in that.

If you're a newb then I'm a monkey's uncle. You have pages and pages of tactics written on the forums. If you are a newb, then I'd be terrified of what an experienced player is like.

I will give you credit that you give good advise. I think you need to work on your presentation a bit because I don't think people really took it to heart. Maybe they thought you were crying wolf?

Anyway, it's ironic because all of our advise in the beginning probably helped me more than anyone else: I realized that I couldn't just throw massive amounts of chaff at other players because there are just too many ways to destroy them, so I focused on diversifying my forces as much as possible (it's a good thing I took a rainbow mage as a pretender). This turned out to be brutally effective against Midgard and Pangaea -- and you this past turn.

I knew you were going to throw undead mastery at me, so I had prepared massive assassination spam as a counter. In the last turn most of it didn't even land because I wiped out all of your commanders.

I even created this chart to help gauge how effective undead mastery would be against my forces:

I didn't know when you were going to spring it so I didn't have a chance to evacuate my low MR troops, although with soul gate up I'll have fairly high MR troops that will be more resistant to it. Of course, I could also use it myself to get back my troops in a pinch

You're like one of those James Bond villains that can't help but spill the beans about their secret plans...

Shardphoenix · #**423** June 30th, 2012, 03:49 PM

That`s just because i feel it`s cheap to gain advantage by hiding basic knowledge from other players.

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If you're a newb then I'm a monkey's uncle.

Maybe I`m not exactly a newb, more of a moderate player - but it didn`t matter because you already became unstoppable before reaching me, by feasting on Patala and later Midgard/Abyssia/Pan. And i had totally NO astral income barring my cap before I took some from Parone - so I couldn`t even dispel those Strands of arcane power you used to generate a huge gemincome.
Anyway, you`ve successfully invaded my heartland and will be storming my cap in approximately 3 turns. And I can do nothing to stop you. It doesn`t matter if I kill some of your troops, since you generate more per turn anyway. And there`s no way I can hurt your high-end summons.
Sorry, but i`m going AI. It`s too frustrating for me to continue this exercise in futility.
Mattyburn might try finding a sub - but I, personally, think it`s pointless.

revenant2 · #**424** June 30th, 2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Shardphoenix

That`s just because i feel it`s cheap to gain advantage by hiding basic knowledge from other players.

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If you're a newb then I'm a monkey's uncle.

Maybe I`m not exactly a newb, more of a moderate player - but it didn`t matter because you already became unstoppable before reaching me, by feasting on Patala and later Midgard/Abyssia/Pan. And i had totally NO astral income barring my cap before I took some from Parone - so I couldn`t even dispel those Strands of arcane power you used to generate a huge gemincome.
Anyway, you`ve successfully invaded my heartland and will be storming my cap in approximately 3 turns. And I can do nothing to stop you. It doesn`t matter if I kill some of your troops, since you generate more per turn anyway. And there`s no way I can hurt your high-end summons.
Sorry, but i`m going AI. It`s too frustrating for me to continue this exercise in futility.
Mattyburn might try finding a sub - but I, personally, think it`s pointless.

You're spot-on about Strands of Arcane Power. It made a huge difference and found most of my non-death/astral gem sites within a few turns.

A dispel probably wouldn't have helped very much since SoAP is fairly cheap to cast and my astral income was already fairly high, so I just would have cast it again.

It's served it's purpose quite well, although it hasn't found anything in many turns. I'll probably need to dispel it soon to make room for another enchantment. You can probably guess what that enchantment will be

Shardphoenix · #**425** June 30th, 2012, 04:44 PM

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You can probably guess what that enchantment will be

Burden of Time? Because Bogarus has old mages...

parone · #**426** June 30th, 2012, 06:25 PM

ohh the irony. i hung in vs shard for what buddy, 40 turns while i had absolutely no shot? and now you take one shot vs ermor, get whipped and bail? after taking shots at him that there was 'no honor' in his victory?

tsk tsk shardphoenix. you are a more skilled player than i, but not a very good sport...

Shardphoenix · #**427** July 1st, 2012, 01:45 AM

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and now you take one shot vs ermor, get whipped and bail?

There are things happening, that you don`t know about.

Russian_Comrade · #**428** July 1st, 2012, 01:42 PM

Sigh. Calling each other names... Relax people, it's only a game.

Well, first of all, I'm congratulating Ermor with victory, any further resistance is pretty much useless. I'll possibly strike at Ermor just for lulz, but chances for victory - especially with players quitting - are close to zero. With my modest S income it is quite impossible to destroy global enchantment spam.

The second thing - it greatly amused me that Ermor needed to break NAP act with me in such boring way. Having position that strong and initiating direct hostile actions (and casting Utterdark and dispelling my global are direct hostile actions) without any common courtesy is pretty strange, ungraceful and is not easy for me to understand. Still - that action was effective, although from now I'll have more second thoughts when I'll consider myself in engaging in any diplomatic activity with Ermor's player, and advise other players to do the same.

revenant2 · #**429** July 1st, 2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Russian_Comrade

Sigh. Calling each other names... Relax people, it's only a game.

Well, first of all, I'm congratulating Ermor with victory, any further resistance is pretty much useless. I'll possibly strike at Ermor just for lulz, but chances for victory - especially with players quitting - are close to zero. With my modest S income it is quite impossible to destroy global enchantment spam.

The second thing - it greatly amused me that Ermor needed to break NAP act with me in such boring way. Having position that strong and initiating direct hostile actions (and casting Utterdark and dispelling my global are direct hostile actions) without any common courtesy is pretty strange, ungraceful and is not easy for me to understand. Still - that action was effective, although from now I'll have more second thoughts when I'll consider myself in engaging in any diplomatic activity with Ermor's player, and advise other players to do the same.

Interesting point about the NAP. I can definitely see where you're coming from, although in the few games I've been in (three including this one), I didn't see people be especially concerned about game-winning enchants in terms of NAPs, although I'll grant you that none of them were Utterdark either.

Don't most of your troops have Darkvision and have low upkeep cost anyway? I figure UD would effect you least of anyone -- well, besides me of course

Newb question: Is there an established protocol for NAPs? I figured it included attacks, assassinations, and remote attacks, but everything else is shades of grey to me. For instance, you were sending in waves of spies against me. In one turn, I rooted out three of them in one of my provinces alone. Is that considered a violation of a NAP?

I also feel the need to remind you that I assisted you with gems, items, and even went to war with R'lyeh to protect you (even though it was strategically a bad decision for me since my troops don't fight well underwater), and split Abysia's tribute with you when I didn't need too, which was all beyond the bounds of a NAP.

Hell, at one point I even told you how powerful I was becoming and suggested that you that you might want to consider banding together with the remaining nations to stop me, or be subservient to Bone Daddy. I even gave you the option to nullify the NAP so you wouldn't have to give notice.

If that's a player that has suspect diplomatic dealings, then you have some out-of-this world expectations.

parone · #**430** July 1st, 2012, 07:57 PM

i don't think trying to win makes you 'shady'. shouldn't we all expect the other players to try to win. if a global gives you a huge advantage, i can't see you not casting due to a NAP.

shard-true- i don't really know what is going on. you have been nice to me, my post was probably out of line due to my rampant alchoholism. that said, it made sense to me at the time(and does right now, but hey, i'm pretty bombed)