[OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics. - Page 49

Aloofi · #**481** March 21st, 2003, 03:58 PM

Iraki joke:

-How many American planes can be shot down by anti-aircraft fire?
-None if it doesn't happen within CNN range.

geoschmo · #**482** March 21st, 2003, 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by dogscoff:
In response to Aloofi's comments:

Yes, Saddam does try very hard to portray himself to his people as a noble, heroic and righteous ruler who cares for his country. I don't know how many of them (if any) actually believe him.

For a look into the mind of an iraqi citzen, take a look at this site. I think the URL was originally posted here by someone else. As far as I know it's genuine.

It's a blog by an iraqi, being written day to day right now. The guy is educated and observant, and seems to be under no illusions about the nature of Saddam. All the same, he doesn't seem to regard George Bush as his liberator. It's an interesting read, anyway. Take a look.

You all should check out this website dogscoff mentioned a while back. The guy is still posting suprisingly, and it gives a very interesting perspective on what is going on.

Here's the link again.

Geoeschmo

Aloofi · #**483** March 21st, 2003, 04:13 PM

That link doesn't work.
That Daer name sounds like that good o'l city, long Daer, in Middle Earth......

geoschmo · #**484** March 21st, 2003, 04:31 PM

Alloofi, the link works fine. Not sure why you don't get it. Could your ISP be blocking it or something maybe?

Geoschmo

Aloofi · #**485** March 21st, 2003, 04:33 PM

Peace in our time!!!

Aloofi · #**486** March 21st, 2003, 04:41 PM

"A U.S. Marine replaces the Iraqi flag at the entrance to Iraq's main port of Umm Qasr on March 21, 2003 with the Stars and Stripes and the flag of the Marine Corps. Marines briefly raised the U.S. flag over Umm Qasr after facing tougher than expected resistance in and around the southern Iraq port. Some time later, the flag was removed. No reason was given for the decision.. (Desmond Boylan/Reuters) "

geoschmo · #**487** March 21st, 2003, 04:56 PM

The decision to take the flag down was the same as the reason the coalition forces were ordered not to prominantly display US flags on their battle vehicles. It's in deferance to the sensibilities of the Iraqi citizens. Since this isn't a war about taking and keeping ground in the name of the US, but about removing the current regime from power and allowing the Iraqi's to rule themselves.

Geoschmo

PsychoTechFreak · #**488** March 21st, 2003, 05:11 PM

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US did not do it for direct profit. Our interests were always strategic.

Arms export, still one of the most commanding state-controlled component and everyone is in-the-game. It's questionable if it can ever be classified into profit, help for self-defense or just power politics.
Every once in a while it seems to be necessary to shed kilo gallons of blood to keep the "game" running, it's too sad.

Mephisto · #**489** March 21st, 2003, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by geoschmo:
You all should check out this website dogscoff mentioned a while back. The guy is still posting suprisingly, and it gives a very interesting perspective on what is going on.
Here's the link again.
Geoeschmo

I read it every day since dogscoff posted it.

geoschmo · #**490** March 21st, 2003, 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by Thermodyne:
I can only hope that we will freeze France out of the reconstruction that will follow.

I think this would be a monumental mistake. I believe once the Coalition has removed Sadaam from power (If they haven't already) and we are able to truely and honestly catalogue the WMD that have been hidden, and speak honestly and openly with the Iraqi scientists and other citizens who will no longer fear reprisals from their government, the world will gain a new perspective of the events. They may never admit it, and they may remain sincerly in opposition to the timing or the manner with which we did it. But seeing the eveidence in the light of day will at least help them to understand why we felt the urgency.

The French have already said that if the Iraqi's use chem/bio weapons during the course of the war it will change things for them. If they aren't used I believe it will be because the coalition prevented it, or the Iraqi's didn't follow those orders. Not because the chem/bio weapons weren't available.

The reconstruction should involve everybody, even those opposed to the war. In that way we can start the process of reconstructing our relations as well as with the Iraqi nation.

Geoschmo