How is cheating possible? - Page 5

Sly Frog · #41 August 10th, 2004, 12:51 PM

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Which is not suprising considering the fact that for all of them it was the first MP game.

Beautiful. This is just the way to draw more people into a game that is hard to easily get into but needs more blood to keep the games fresh.

Yes, I'm sure that people cheating, or even power gaming in general is the way to bring new blood into the wonderful game that is Dominions.

If it isn't absolutely, positively clear already, let me make it clear: I'm not blaming Stormbinder for that, just the morons who need to damage the integrity of the game, and in front of first time players no less. For a game like Dominions, which needs to intrigue and entice all of the new players it can because it is a niche game and the pool of players will naturally shrink over time, this is defenseless.

Molog · #42 August 10th, 2004, 01:07 PM

It is obvious Norfleet was cheating if you look at Norfleets Posts and his sg empire in the game provided.

Esben Mose Hansen · #43 August 10th, 2004, 01:41 PM

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I find it ... implausible that you can come up to this conclusion ("He gave himself 200 gems every turn") when you have _ONE_ turn file to examine.
Unless of you you know the exact nature of the cheat that was used?

Now you're being silly. Stormbinder was just proposing possibilties, even founding them to some degree. And he states this clearly in his post; and even if he did it would be obvious from the content.

Cohen · #44 August 10th, 2004, 01:45 PM

There's a website that provindes infos about cheats ... but not any link to download them.

However so on, my search (with google) lead me to cheats for Dom2 able to gives you unlimited pretender points, gold, and "resources" ... dunno if this means gems or resources for common troop production.

I've only read the text files describing that stuff ... I never tried so I can't say more.
Since the previous post where I said that disappeared from this thread, now I'll give the link to infos only to who PM or mail me, so he can see with his own eyes there're already cheats for Dom2 ...

archaeolept · #45 August 10th, 2004, 01:47 PM

i believe those are old single player cheats. I very much doubt any of them would work in MP.

Yossar · #46 August 10th, 2004, 03:46 PM

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oh and i think norfleet almost didn't need that cheating because he already had lots of wisdom in dominions .

That's what I don't get either. I'd like to think there was more to it than just simple cheating (especially after reading some of his final comments here), but I don't know. Norfleet was pretty eccentric and maybe I can't / don't want to understand him.

Stormbinder · #47 August 10th, 2004, 05:07 PM

Greetings.

I would like to thank you all for your kind words, they are very much appreciated. Also I would like to say special thanks to Mose, for him believing me in the begining, for his support on board, for spending his valuable time analizing Ermor's file, and for making Norfeet's Ermor file available for download on his server, where it can be accessed by anybody who would like to see it himself.

Thank you guys! Your words tell me that all the time and efforts dedicated to bringing this sad matter to the concluion were well spend and appreciated.

Regards,
Stormbinder

jimbo · #48 August 10th, 2004, 05:30 PM

Add me to the list of people in your debt, sir! Very well done indeed.

Stormbinder · #49 August 10th, 2004, 05:31 PM

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Which is not suprising considering the fact that for all of them it was the first MP game.

Beautiful. This is just the way to draw more people into a game that is hard to easily get into but needs more blood to keep the games fresh.

Yes, I'm sure that people cheating, or even power gaming in general is the way to bring new blood into the wonderful game that is Dominions.

If it isn't absolutely, positively clear already, let me make it clear: I'm not blaming Stormbinder for that, just the morons who need to damage the integrity of the game, and in front of first time players no less. For a game like Dominions, which needs to intrigue and entice all of the new players it can because it is a niche game and the pool of players will naturally shrink over time, this is defenseless.

You are absolutely right Sly Frog. Cheating can easely turn off new players from any MP game, especially from such a long and complex game as Dom2.

Fortunately these particular three new players were not turned off by these events. Once we established contact in the game I've created mailing list for them, that we used to communicate with each other, and I've send several dozens of emails to them, (probably 20K-30K text total

) giving them a lot of advice amd tips on what are the effecitve tactics for their nation to do in our game, as well as general game tips and advice, and answering their questions. From the personal game-wining point of view that was probably not the best course for me to do, as Norfeet wrote in our Ermor's game thread, if he would be me "he would wipe them all from the map immideatly, and wash his shoes after it". However I didn't want to go this road, and instead chosen to cooperate with them and educate them. During the game and especially after the game was finished, they all send me a lot of emails, saying how gratefull they are for all advice they got, how much they learned about about this game and how excited they were to participate in the alliance against Undead Legions.

One even said he is saving all my emails for personal archive for studing and references later on during his future Dom2 games.

All three of them are registrated forum members now, and you may already seen some of their Posts in this and in other threads. They are starting a new game now, and all are very excited about Dom2 as far as I can tell. So I am glad to say that at least these three people were not turned off from Dom2 because of the blatant cheating that they were unlucky to encounter in their first game.

Regards,
Stormbinder

Gandalf Parker · #50 August 10th, 2004, 05:48 PM

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However so on, my search (with google) lead me to cheats for Dom2 able to gives you unlimited pretender points, gold, and "resources" ... dunno if this means gems or resources for common troop production.

Are those my Posts in the strategy newsgroup? Sure sounds like all the areas I covered. Of course that was why a "Cheat Prevention" now shows up on the new-game menu. It was alot more fun before you had to actually hit that switch and turn off cheat checking to make them work.