This game is an expensive coaster - Page 5

Kagetora · #41 May 25th, 2001, 06:19 PM

Richard has totally crossed the line. Not only has he rationalized that this game was never really intended to have TCP/IP which anybody that has been here for any length of time knows to be false but he is now lying and acting like it was a couple months after the demo before it was even brought up. I was reading these Boards prior to the demo even being released and I am quite certain implications were made here that this game would eventually have TCP/IP capability long before the demo. This was my primary reason for purchasing the game in the first place. I knew from the demo the AI was terrible. I loved the design and figured it would be fun to play against other humans. However, this is still impossible in any reasonable manner.

danjel · #42 May 25th, 2001, 06:22 PM

SEIV is a PBEM game. TCP/IP support is unnecessary.

Kagetora · #43 May 25th, 2001, 06:24 PM

So in some respects I must share Kagetora's complains: SE4 was an unfinished product when it was released. It has improved since then but is still lacking features which were originally promised. Worse, there is not yet a sufficient challenge if you do not give the AI outrageous unfair advantages.<<<<

I couldn't agree more. The reason I haven't bothered with the mods is because all they do is give the AI outrageous advantages in an effort to get some value from this product. I can't see how it can even be called a computer game at all with no AI or any way to reasonably play with others or at least in the manner most customers or even other game companies would consider reasonable. Richard on another board is now pretending that the demo Version of this game was as finished as it should have been for sale. I must be blind, because I can't believe anybody on this board didn't know this game was incomplete when they bought it and expected it to be completed later?

Kagetora · #44 May 25th, 2001, 06:40 PM

If you feel you have bought a defective product then you should probably ask for your money back.<<<<

Actually I did ask for my money back in writing and was told it was against their policy to give any refunds at all for any reason. Which is typical for fly by night organizations.

Suicide Junkie · #45 May 25th, 2001, 06:53 PM

Question for Kagetora:
How fast do you finish an average turn?
How long does it take to transmit a turn file to your friends?
Is Tactical combat important to you, or sequential play?

If you want tactical, sequential play,and a fast turn turn around time, I would suggest ICQ. Play your turn, and send it instantly, while giving the next player a poke to hurry up

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If you are OK with using simultaneous to speed up the game, the use the Play-by-Web service.

Unless your turns are really short, integrated TCP/IP support will not speed up your game significantly over the other options out there.

geoschmo · #46 May 25th, 2001, 06:59 PM

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O.K., he chooses rather extreme formulations but nothing which I feel would leave the area of civilized complaint (until HE got flamed). In return you call him "dick", "idiot", "troll", etc.. Well, I personally do not feel that his complaints are so absurd and so absolutely unjustified that his post can only be understood as the deliberate provocation of a troll who is looking to be flamed. This forum has always been an extremely civilized one. Please do not forget that freedom is always the freedom of somebody who thinks differently !

jowe01,

No one is resonably stating that Kagetora does not have a right to post valid complaints in the forum, but your defense of him is misplaced. He left "the area of civilized complaint" in his very first post. Noone had even read it or responded to him when he stated

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I am sick of people saying this company has such good customer support. They are still in the middle of a 3 year creation run which seems to be petering out 8 months after they sold this coaster. This is a mass produced fraud, not a game company.

I don't think anyone has defend the ai, or the lack of Tcp/ip support. We are simply taking exception to his rude, and unsubstantiated comments regarding the level of support from Malfador. He has his number one priority, Tcp/ip. It is NOT the number one priority of Aaron, or EVEYONE else who has bought the game. Whether or not it is the priority of the majority of customer, I can't say for sure. But from the level of comments here I would say not. If anything, the "vocal minority" seem to be the one's demanding that tcp/ip be implemented immediatley. That is not to say that we all wouldn't like to see it happen. But because we all aren't clamoring for it the way he has he has labeled us...

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Of course those of you not so bright or strategically minded might consider it adequate but when my golden retriever beat it he said it sucked too.

Everyone has the right to their opinion. Complaints about the ai or requests for tcp/ip are valid points. Calling Aaron and Richard criminals (before you say he didn't call Aaron a criminal, look up the definition of "fraud") or unethical for not doing things on his schedule are not the kind of things reasonable people do.

Geo

Kagetora · #47 May 25th, 2001, 07:02 PM

Unless your turns are really short, integrated TCP/IP support will not speed up your game significantly over the other options out there.<<<<

Well frankly I put this game on the back burner only checking in here periodically for the new patches and awaiting the TCP/IP to be included. I never realized it might actually take this long or perhaps I might have entertained some alternatives before now. However, I didn't and I don't know anything about those you mentioned.

Kagetora · #48 May 25th, 2001, 07:07 PM

Everyone has the right to their opinion. Complaints about the ai or requests for tcp/ip are valid points. Calling Aaron and Richard criminals (before you say he didn't call Aaron a criminal, look up the definition of "fraud") or unethical for not doing things on his schedule are not the kind of things reasonable people do.<<<<<

Well, look I understand the difficulty in doing creative type things like this. However, you can't advertise you are selling something and then not deliver what you advertised and people paid their money to get. I don't care if is deliberate on their part or not they still have an obligation to provide the product they said they would. I have a hard time believing that if Aaron had really wanted to he could have finished this game in more than 8 entire months. Entire games have been started from scratch and finished in less time. Problem is he has the money already so he has little incentive now to finish this game the way he said he would.

rdouglass · #49 May 25th, 2001, 07:26 PM

We'll I gotta' throw my hat into the ring again on this one...

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Originally posted by Kagetora:
... However, you can't advertise you are selling something and then not deliver what you advertised and people paid their money to get...

Was it ever really advertised? I only remeber it being mentioned as 'planned'. Post me a quote and I may feel otherwise.

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Originally posted by Kagetora:
...I have a hard time believing that if Aaron had really wanted to he could have finished this game in more than 8 entire months. Entire games have been started from scratch and finished in less time...

I don't know of any of the major game publishers out there that'll do one in less than a year - even a new Version of an old game. I'm personally sorry you dislike the game so much. However, I'm really enjoying you scrambling around trying to justify (IMO) your unfounded statements and observations. Yes everyone is entitled to their own opinions, just like @$$holes...everyone has one....

Nitram Draw · #50 May 25th, 2001, 09:04 PM

I can understand, but no agree, with your complaints. This is not the first, and certainly not the Last game, that didn't meet everyones expectations, and possible some advertising, which I can't comment on. If you believe all advertising have I got a deal for you.....
As far as the AI is concerned, I agree that it can easily be beaten after a certain point regardless of the difficulity or if it is a stock race or a mod race. It is, after all, a program and once you figure the way to beat it you can repeatedly beat it if you play the same way. This is true of any computer game, regardless of the designers claims on how good their AI is.
I would suggest you try the some of the following and see if you don't feel a little different.
Try the TDM mod
Try playing as a Pirate or Nomad with SJ's Pirate mod.
Try playing the game a different way, don't follow the same research pattern, vary your style, build different ship, etc.
Play a hotseat game if possible.
Play a High Tech game in a small quadrent with 10 good starting planets, 20 races, and 100K starting resource points.
Give them time and the type of internet play you want may still happen.

[This message has been edited by Nitram Draw (edited 25 May 2001).]