AI Campaign => For a Challenging AI opponent

[PsychoTechFreak]

Originally posted by JLS:

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

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I certainly remember that Fate Shrine' reduction of events chance has been asserted to be fixed in 1.84. It would also fix lucky/cursed trait, I think.

I am fairly certain that it does not work. I ran some tests and had the same number of events hit me with or without it. I even tried modding it to 100% reduction of event chances, but had 0 change.

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Fyron I agree with you

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Fyron, JLS, one of the important things about this (Aaron has confirmed it). You can not test the event chance with one player because the events are distributed over the races. If you have got 100 events in a game with two players and both of them have no positive or neg. modifiers (like fake shrine) to event chances, then every one gets about 50. One player would get 100 even with lucky trait, because there is no other player who attrackts the other events. If one race has got lucky trait, the other is cursed, then the distribution would be different (I am not good in maths now) , e.g. 40/60 or whatever.

[JLS]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

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Originally posted by QBrigid:

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Originally posted by JLS:
Furthermore, with all the proposed AI Rebellion remedies, it may lesson the total of new Independent Races spawned that enhances Human Player game Play, and this will not be a good thing - Oleg, would it?

JLS, the AIC and Adamants original Events file is and allways was fine, in fact both great. It appears you occupied most of your vacation placating this events max severity thing, when your intention was to release v4.0 this week.

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At any rate, a reorganized events file is nicer to look through. Reordering them can't have any bad effects, so why not just use the reordered file, as the work is already done?

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Agreed, and already done as well.

[Fyron]

Hmm... so I need a guinea pig...

[JLS]

Originally posted by PsychoTechFreak:
Fyron, JLS, one of the important things about this (Aaron has confirmed it). You can not test the event chance with one player because the events are distributed over the races. If you have got 100 events in a game with two players and both of them have no positive or neg. modifiers (like fake shrine) to event chances, then every one gets about 50. One player would get 100 even with lucky trait, because there is no other player who attrackts the other events. If one race has got lucky trait, the other is cursed, then the distribution would be different (I am not good in maths now) , e.g. 40/60 or whatever.[/QB]

Thanks PTF, I beleive I understand what you are presenting.

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This may be of the wall PTF, but will the Event engine see this as teams.

Human team and AI team...

For example if there was 2 Human Players, hence=50/50 and 5 AI players hence 20% over each AI.

Please further clarify: 1 Human 5 AI players, how would the calculations be in your opinion. Please to not equate Lucky and /or Cursed.
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[PsychoTechFreak]

Originally posted by JLS:


Please further clarify: 1 Human 5 AI players, how would the calculations be in your opinion. Please to not equate Lucky and /or Cursed.
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JLS, I am sorry, could you repeat that Last sentence in other words, please?

The events are distributed equally if no race has any modifier. There should be no difference between human and AI.

Do you think of a simulation without event chance modifiers for all of the races? That means, I would have to use non-religious races and I would have to remove any cultural traits about event chance modifiers.

[ September 06, 2003, 19:13: Message edited by: PsychoTechFreak ]

[JLS]

Originally posted by PsychoTechFreak:
Oleg, if you use the event file of AIC (I guess so) search for the first entry of population rebel. It is a medium event.

PTF, the way I understood Oleg he is using (HIS other Event file and with HIGH Chance)

Originally posted by oleg:
But I tried the one you posted in "max.severity" topic. I think it is the same, right ?
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JLS=I never corrected your released file 1062224182.txt in that thread.

Not AIC 4.b1 Event.

And yes in 4.b1 there is one Medium:
population rebel
Close Warp

Now this is a one in 40 Chance that a one of these will be chose (IF) Medium is the MAX

The odds would be NIL if Max at LOW and NONE.
The odds are even far different at high or default.

Would you not agree, PTF?

In regards to Close Warp the Medium Event WILL be removed.

[ September 06, 2003, 19:25: Message edited by: JLS ]

[PsychoTechFreak]

Originally posted by JLS:
PTF, the way I understood Oleg he is using (HIS other Event file and with HIGH Chance) Not AIC 4.b1 Event.

Yes, but I am using 3.02 and the first rebel entry is a medium already. There are more rebel entries later on with high severity.

EDIT: I will create my own events.txt for the test. Otherwise I can not certainly observe the severity of an event from your modded files.

[ September 06, 2003, 19:18: Message edited by: PsychoTechFreak ]

[JLS]

OK, but please remember, we Human Handle rebellions very efficiently by sending ships to orbit that planet.

The AI HomeWorlds already have safeguards and current remedies in AIC. With the Culture Center and the AI Systems Facility Combined for its HW
At AI Players Colonies outside its Homesystem it has a progressive improvement, as the AI Sys Facility is upgraded. See references below.

I believe if you lesson Rebellion Events you lesson the Chance that Independent Races will be Spawned at the AI Players Colonies. What are your thoughts on this PTF?

Also perment removal of any Rebellion Event may inflict a death sentence from QBrigid

However PTF, I understand your concern when it is located in MEDIUM

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[ September 06, 2003, 20:20: Message edited by: JLS ]

[JLS]

Originally posted by PsychoTechFreak:
The events are distributed equally if no race has any modifier. There should be no difference between human and AI.

Then why is that Oleg feel the AI is handled differantly?

Is this due to the test procedure he is using, that you mentioned.

Originally posted by PsychoTechFreak:
Fyron, JLS, one of the important things about this (Aaron has confirmed it). You can not test the event chance with one player because the events are distributed over the races.

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Do you think of a simulation without event chance modifiers for all of the races? That means, I would have to use non-religious races and I would have to remove any cultural traits about event chance modifiers.

I agree on all non-religious.
The AI HW Cultural center is allready zero.

Please, if you are also testing or make note of Max. Severity, then please use Events 4.b1 to base remarks.

EVENTS 4.1b just >L-CLICK< for download

[ September 06, 2003, 20:18: Message edited by: JLS ]

[JLS]

opps BRB

[ September 06, 2003, 20:18: Message edited by: JLS ]