obat44 - West Germany

[JaM]

There are many typos in OOBs,but we must chooce from two options: WinSPWW2 or OOBs without typos, I vote for WinSPWW2...

[Suurajatollah]

I noticed that in version 2.51 or 2.5 has BIG troubles with OOBs. The corrections, at least a lot of them, that were made in version 2.0 has been cancelled. For example ROF in PzH2000 and Paladin is now 4. Mountain troops in WG no more have their +7 in troop quality not to mention the scouts. Prizes of the tanks and other units are wrong. Etc, etc, etc...

Whats has gone wrong?

And when you next time update the WG OOB, could you also add AP ammos in 40mm HK-69 GL for the Jaeger units without PzFaust? Now they dont have any anti-armor possibilities.
And add bigger trucks too!

In my opinion SPCAMO could update the OOBs continuously and put them for example in this forum to be downloaded. Like you have put the OOB of Britain. In that way we wouldnt have to wait new version to get updated and official OOBs.


Olli

[DRG]

CLICK HERE and DL the correct West German OOB for ver 2.5. An older version was issued with the ver 2.5 patch in error. Follow the instructions for extracting this OOB to your game on that thread

Don

[Gooseman2448]

I found info from Rheinmetall's site about the Marder A5 that specifies it as mine resistant. Would that be a good change for you?
http://www.rheinmetall-detec.com/ind...1413&action=pd

[Suurajatollah]

Here's my first contribution to OOB's.

*Most unit names are in german
*New units
*Upgraded units (Visions, etc.)
*False units removed(Fuchs 2& Weasel 2 TOW)
*New formations
*New guns
*Changed AP-ammos for GL:s after 90's.

Most changes apply after 1990. In the year 2006 you can see all of them.

Let me know what you think of it and give feedback so that I can make it better.

Thanks!

[Alpha]

Suurajatollah said:
Here's my first contribution to OOB's.

*Most unit names are in german
*New units
*Upgraded units (Visions, etc.)
*False units removed(Fuchs 2& Weasel 2 TOW)
*New formations
*New guns
*Changed AP-ammos for GL:s after 90's.

Most changes apply after 1990. In the year 2006 you can see all of them.

Let me know what you think of it and give feedback so that I can make it better.

Thanks!

Hi,

nice OOB. I have made also a new OOB ("Alpha OOB")
Do you have a list of detailed changes ?

I see you added AP ammo to the 40mm grenade laucher.
i thought about this also, wasn´t shure if for this weapon
AP grenades are/were in use.... any special ino on this ?
On the BW site it says only use against troops/soft targets...

[Suurajatollah]

Sorry for the delay...
Unfortunately I didn't make a list of changes when I made my OOB. Now after a while it's almost impossible to do it.

What it comes to AP ammos for the 40mm grenade launcher I added those to Jaeger Squads without PzFst3. I don't have any "hard evindence" that this would be the case in real life. I did it in order to make the OOB more playable in email games. The fact that for example german parapioneers have AP ammos in their GL's supported my decicion. I think that it would't be too unrealistic to assume that in the wartime there would be few Jaeger Companys armed with AP GL's and without PzFst's...

PS. I hope that in the version 3 there will be a whole new OOB for Germany.

[Arralen]

v3.5 .. great to see the Puma on board finally ..
.. but only 1 armor variant?!

However, I spotted a glaring bug:

The Leopard 1 A5 ended its service on 31.12.2003
wikipedia

(One of the) Last unit(s) equipped with the "Leo 1" was the Panzerbataillon 74 (inofficially nicknamed "Die Eisenschweine" = "The Iron Pigs"), which was decommissioned on that date: PzBtl 74

[DRG]

On the list.....

Don

[Arralen]

obat44 - W.Germany - Version Mar/2010

W#182 27mm BordKannon
- what is a "27mm BordKannon"? It's either "27mm on-board cannon", "27mm Bordkanone", or (better: ) according to german milspeak "Bordkanone 27mm" or (best: ) "27mm Mauser BK-27" - used in the Panavia Tornado, the Alpha Jet, the JAS 39 Gripen, and the Eurofighter Typhoon.

W#7 G3, W#8 G36, W#9 G11 ...
- G36 gets Acc 6 !?! .. G11 might be ok with "3", surely not G36 with "6".

U#229-241/250-252/257 and many more:
"PzGrenadiers" => "PzGrenadiere"
"Pioneers" => "Pioniere"
"Paratroops" => "Fallschirmjaeger" (sgl. & pl.)

U#519-523 Fernspah Sec
- it's "Fernspaeher" (sgl. & pl.)
- remove the "Sec", as it is not part of the name. "Trupp" would be correct. Strength is 4 or 6 men, depending on mission (objective) => 4 men "Trupp", 6 men "Verst(aerkter). Trupp", although I'm not sure if the later one is correct.
Info on wikipedia seems to be as correct as things can get with such units
- equipment is too heavy. Remove MG3 and all tank busting equipment. Add sniper rifles where missing. One could argue for satchel charges for special assignments, but those should be up to a scenario designer, not part of the standard OOB

U#495-499 "Mtn. Scouts"
- are basically duplicates to U#420-424 "Gebirgsjaeger" (which are properly named, at least)

U#52-54/118 Marder A3/A5
- does not get Vis40 (TI), but U#68 SpPz Luchs A3 does? Is the "Wärmebildgerät" used in "Marder" inferior to that used in "Luchs"?

U#93 Gepard A3
- End-of-Service is 31.12.2010. There are claims that some will be stored until Mantis/Ozelot is fully combat-ready, but as the Gepard is phased out because of maintenance/update costs, I doubt they would be of much use, and therefore used, at all, even if some are stored. (They like storing things, like severel 100k G3 rifles, so it's not completely unlikely)

U#103 M109A3G
- End of Service 31.5.2007. wikipedia (en, ge) has lots of source which seem reliable

U#153 105mm Section
- the "Feldhaubitze 105mm" is only used for salute any more. Most likely for decades (Artilleriereform '85 or something like that) EoS 2020 is obviously completly incorrect. http://www.deutschesheer.de/portal/a...%2Fcontent.jsp

U#155 155mm Section
- "Last unit (225th Mountain Artillery Battalion) converted to tracked artillery in 2002"


... there are many more errors I noticed skimming through the OOB, where
a) equipment is given as available years or even a decade after it has been phased out
b) equipment is duplicated, like having Milan-III in PzGr squads, and another Milan squad in the same platoon

Sadly, I don't have the time to check them all ...