New Russian OOB (or SPR OOB)

[Marcello]

Now some organizational question. I see that rifle companies (formation n 627 and so on) in your OOB have an heavy machine gun platoon attached to them. Was it actually done?
And in general what kind of support was available? From what I read from the tables six 82/120mm mortars were available at the battalion support company but what others weapons were there? How many recoiless? AAMgs? Were 60mm mortars used?
I am asking this because I am reworking the afghan OOB and from what I have read so far it followed soviet patterns.
Yet they require several changes, as I imagine the DRA troops were not usually carrying around SA-7s and such, for obvious reasons.
Thanks in advance for any info.

[KraMax]

Hello Marcello.

In the Russian or Soviet army in general there are no such divisions (Rifle Inf). We do not have the pedestrian infantry. We have mech rifle inf. But in game should be provided - also infantry without armour APC. At us this infantry - the usual mechanised infantry, without APC. As it is supposed that in such structure the infantry usually defends - that we have for a change put them 12.7mm machine guns. In the present states of the mechanised infantry - at all of us it is precisely specified in ours OOB.
In Afghanistan at us usually were at war Air Assault, Mech Inf, it is less Naval Inf.
At all of us armies are made very precisely (including support platoons - 82\120mm mortars, MG, AGS etc.) - except Rifle Inf - these armies at us are made on a basis Mech Inf.
Also it is exact at us years of change of organizational regular structure of armies are made.

[Marcello]

So basically if I understand correctly that heavy MG platoon is a sort of compensation for the absence of the BTR/BMP, rather than a standard formation.

[KraMax]

Hello Marcello.

No. You have misunderstood me. I spoke about that that - Rifle Inf = Mech Inf winthout BTR/BMP. As such variant of structure of divisions is possible only in defend basically in support to these divisions gave heavy mg.
Mech Inf with BTR/BMP - we have completely made a standard platoon of support in our OOB.

Best regards

sorry for my bad English

[KraMax]

We have found one more error.

change units:
unit 099 - IS-2M - weapon 4 - remove.
unit 518 - ASU-85 - weapon 3 - add 12.7mm DShK AAMG, change Radio=91.

change formantion:
formation 009 - Haavy tank Pl - unit 3 - remove.

To download it it is possible from the first page of this theme or from here: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/obat011.obf

[DRG]

KraMax said:

change formantion:
formation 009 - Heavy tank Pl - unit 3 - remove.

If a Heavy tank platoon is only two tanks that makes your heavy tank company only 5 tanks.

Only five tanks in a Heavy Tank company ? Not much of a company----- more like a platoon.

Don

[Companion]

I remember using 5 tank Heavy Tank Co. in my SPWAW soviet 1941 campaign...

[DRG]

Companion said:
I remember using 5 tank Heavy Tank Co. in my SPWAW soviet 1941 campaign...

Let me know if you find a better source....OK ?

I'm interested in any actual proof there were five tanks in a Heavy tank company before or after WW2. The info I have says 7 and 10.

Don

[KraMax]

Hello Don.

I have found it in descriptions fighting application of tanks IS's.

"In February, 1944 regiments of the break completed with tanks KV's available as a part of Red Army, have been translated on new states. Has simultaneously begun formation of the new parts equipped with cars IS, which steels to be called as heavy tank regiments. Thus it even at formation appropriated the name" Guards ". On staff in new regiments 375 persons of the staff, four tank company IS's (21 tank), company submachine gunners, company technical maintenance, the antiaircraft battery, sappers, economic platoons and a regimental medical aid station were."

http://www.armour.kiev.ua/Tanks/WWII/IS2/is2_3.html

and wiki:
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki / % D0%98%D0%A1-2

[DRG]

Well, I can tell you one thing for certain....that automated translator makes a real mess of things. The best I can come up with from that is in 1944 a regiment of IS tanks was four companies totalling 21 tanks. Which, if this is true, would be five per company with one tank reserved for the regimental commander. Under wartime conditions I can see the need for company formations that could be expanded but it is difficult to believe than anyone would seriously call five tanks a "company" when it's a platoon everywhere else !

Maybe that's what is said.....and maybe that's for 1944, not post war and not applicable before 1944 IF that is truly the case.

As well, that first link doesn't work and the second doesn't go anywhere useful to the discussion.

What else do you have ?

Don