Rumor: Kerry & Edwards Want to Ban SEIV - Page 6

narf poit chez BOOM · #51 July 9th, 2004, 02:51 AM

My dad never spanked me, but knowing that he would if he had to kept some of my worst impulses under control.

Paul1980au · #52 July 10th, 2004, 08:35 AM

So can they ban boxing, gridiron, US invasions of othre countries, george W Bush being on the news (its a terrorfiying image to behold the ugly mug - even chaney is more attractive), how about shopping (i mean women and violence against their cash balances and credit cards)

Atrocities · #53 July 10th, 2004, 08:39 AM

You can never know what they can ban until they ban it.

Look at what prohobition did to the economy. Many believe that it lead to the colaps of the US economy back in the day as it put so many people out of work at one time and lead to economic stress that ultimately brought down the stock market and ignited the great depression.

Gandalf Parker · #54 July 10th, 2004, 02:36 PM

Good quote. Heinlein and StarShip Troopers.

Or as someone once said (I think it was me)..
"Sometimes scientific theory is created from direct observation of reality, and sometimes it is created in spite of it."

Or to paraphrase Spock. "It is not logical, but it is often true."

Raging Deadstar · #55 July 10th, 2004, 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by General Woundwort:
Permit me to toss in a quotation from Heinlein's Starship Troopers on the topic of corporal punishment...

There's only one way this thread can go now that Starship Troopers has been mentioned!

Randallw · #56 July 10th, 2004, 03:16 PM

For me personally the best thing about the movie is that it convinced me to buy and read the book. The book, as I'm sure anyone who knows will agree, is totally different from the movie.

oleg · #57 July 10th, 2004, 04:13 PM

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Originally posted by Raging Deadstar:
Sometimes i am incredibly thankful about living in england, although even our government is taking things a bit far in some measures it's now taking. The whole debate on a Ban on Smacking children and numerous other issues is getting quite worrying...

Smaking children ban is a quite reasonable legislation compared with "Animal Cruelty Law" that may impose a prison sentence for killing snails, slugs and insects in your garden...

Wardad · #58 July 10th, 2004, 05:33 PM

My Dad spanked me. Unfortunitly it was not balanced with an ability to care about anothers feelings or deal with his own. Unfortunitly I did not learn bargining skills from my parents.

Frankly, I'd rather be hit and grumbling, then have to put up with some of the new age mind bending pyscho bable bull####. You know, the BS that demands obediance (oops correctness)in thought, feelings, and actions.

Yea, I got spank, but lost respect for him for some good reasons. It got so trivial. One time, I pretended to enjoy the spanking and asked for more, more and more. My mom finally pulled him off of me before I broke (victory!). I had trouble sitting for 2 days. But... he had to see a shrink, and I got away with %^$# the next 2 years.

[ July 11, 2004, 01:40: Message edited by: Wardad ]

Renegade 13 · #59 July 10th, 2004, 06:58 PM

Spanking should be allowed in the home, as long as it does not go overboard. It really doesn't hurt that much, and there is no permanent damage, so why shouldn't parents be allowed to smack them if they need it?? However, it should stop at a certain age, and be replaced by other punishments. I mean, I was spanked as a kid when i was far too old for it. It did not hurt, but was humiliating. I still bear a grudge against my dad for that. I will never forgive him for that. I don't even remember the original issue, but the memory still stings. If he tried to do it again, he'd end up with something broken.

When a kid is in their teens, there are better punishments. If they're like me, someone who spends many hours a day in front of the computer, then take the computer away, or at least threaten to. That's a great punishment. But be careful; when kids get older, they can punish their parents right back; just ask my parents. I can make their life hell if I feel like it, and they know it. It makes them more reasonable, and more likely to sympathize with my point of view.

So my point is, sure, corporal punishment works, at least for the first decade of the child's life. But after that, it is not necessary, and can be replaced by something more effective.

Gandalf Parker · #60 July 10th, 2004, 07:07 PM

No extreme is ever a good idea. Anything can be carried too far. Any type of training, teaching, raising of any creature or human; is bound to fail its goal if it uses only punishment or uses only praise.