OT- LOTR fan discussion thread - SPOILER WARNING

[Fyron]

A most interesting read.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

ok, some people have to much time on there hands.

wait a minute...*takes a good look around*

[Loser]

That was a scholar, not a slacker, Narf.

And that was a great read. Thanks, Gravey.

[ January 09, 2004, 00:27: Message edited by: Loser ]

[narf poit chez BOOM]

that was a joke.

and, yes, it was a good peice of scholarship.

[dogscoff]

Yeah, Tolkien's intention with the LOTR (+ Silmarillion etc) was to create some kind of fake mythology for Britain, since much of our Celtic heritage was lost with the various invasion of the first millenium. He drew on all kinds of other mythologies and blended them, just as real mythtologies borrowed ideas from one another. So it makes sense that his geography would have some kind of parallel with out own.

There's also been a lot of debate about where the "real" Middle Earth is, since Tolkien lived in quite a few different places in his life. There is a certain rivalry for the crown of "real middle earth" between Dorset (Where I live, and where Tolkien spent a lot of his life- there's a pub down the hill from me called the Tapp and Hobbit) and somewhere up in the Midlands. I also think he may have spent some time in NZ (I could be wrong about this) and that is one of the reason PJ shot the film there- apart from the varied spectaular scenry, of course.

[Will]

Ever since reading the Silmarillion, I kind of had Aule and Bombadil connected in my mind... that link just cemented that. Never quite made the Goldberry/Yavanna connection, but it makes sense.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

i always thought Goldberry was an elf.

[ January 09, 2004, 06:52: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

[Growltigger]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Actually... he does sort of appear indirectly, in the form of that moth that always precedes the eagles... he did take that form to reach Gandalph in the books, though he became himself again to talk with him. [/QB]

Did he? I cannot recall that at all. Gandalf mentions that Radagast met him south of Bree with the message from Saruman to come to Orthanc for his counsel (ie give him the offer to join up with Saruman or else), but Radagast was in human form and rode off on a horse, not as a moth. Radagast was chums with lots of birds and beasties (including the eagles) but I dont recall he could change into their shape.

As to the trolls, I'll beg to disagree that the book portrays them as fat grunting blobby things. Certainly, I cannot imagine the LOTR movie trolls having a lucid discussion about how to cook dwarves as per the hobbit.

The trolls were also made by Sauron in mockery of the Ents. He didnt capture Ents and corrupt them, as he did elves to make the orcs.

Munchausen, I had forgotten about the Byzantium/Gondor analogy. I recall reading that and I must admit, it does appeal.

Good read that. I always believed that Bombadil and Goldberry was a pointer back to the nature spirits the Saxons and Angles believed lived in the woods and the waters. Powerful beings that you did not worship, but paid heed to.

[ January 09, 2004, 08:17: Message edited by: Growltigger ]

[Cheeze]

I don't think it is meant to be Radagast, but that might explain how that little fluttering moth always gets places ahead of the eagles...those birds can move!!!

I had read something that concluded Bombadil was Iluvatar, but Aule makes more sense this author examines the stories. Funny that the dwarves have had enough interactions with him to call him Forn...but they have no idea he is their creator! This paper was very nicely done. Old Tom always seemed to be lot more than just "a merry fellow"!

[tesco samoa]

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