SEIV is being Pirated - Page 7

geoschmo · #61 August 30th, 2001, 01:19 AM

I have to disagree with you here Puke. Napster in my mind is exactly the same thing as Warez. I won't disagree that the music industry or individual artists should do something like Napster to market their music, but they have every right to want Napster itself shut down.

Your claim that you only were using it to preview music that you were deciding whether or not to buy is irrelevant. The fact is Napster had no controls over whether a user bought an album later. Once the person downloaded the file, they couldn't care less. They were making money (throguh banner ads, etc.) off other people's work without their permission, plain and simple. And that's wrong.

Whether or not your intentions were ethical or honorable in sampling music is not the issue. The question is is it ethical for Napster to make the songs available. The answer to that has to be NO.

Whether it is a good idea or not for the Music industry to doing something like Napster is irrelevant. The fact is they haven't yet, and noone has the right to do it for them.

Geoschmo

Phoenix-D · #62 August 30th, 2001, 02:32 AM

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Do you think that somehow defying Nazi laws encouraging religious persecution is somehow on a equal moral ground with defying perfectly reasonable copyright laws? That's a bit of a stretch. Not all laws are just. But your moral right to defy unjust laws does not extend to every law you disagree with.

Here's where you loose him.

Some people find said religious persecution laws perfectlly reasonable.

Whether or not a law is reasonable and ethical is the test I use to determine if I care about it at all. Laws do not determine ethics and ethics don't determine laws. Someone makes a law making it illegal for anyone under 18 to use a computer? Tough. Someone makes it legal to kill? Also tough, doesn't mean I'm going to run out and machine gun people.

Applying this to warz/napster, warz is bad because you're supporting the inethical uses of that site even when you download it ethiclly (i.e. you bought the game and the CD broke, hasn't arrived, etc).

Napster? No. You CAN use it for the same idea as warz, and THAT is bad, but napster itself it not. You might as well say the WWW is bad because it allows Warz sites..

Phoenix-D

Richard · #63 August 30th, 2001, 02:07 PM

Some good discussion going on here.

As far as the download option for a game like SE:IV. We have to go one way or the other with a game. The main reason is because if it is a download only game the manual will be electronic. Once we go down that road it is an easy pirate target. Manuals are the number one anti-piracy device that I can think of. Plus if we make a game a download most major sites will not review it since they look at that as shareware.

As far as the multiple PC's in one house I have no issue with that myself personally, I think that is a silly license issue. IN fact have you guys seen what they plan to do with Windows XP to "fix" that problem, scary stuff.

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tesco samoa · #64 August 30th, 2001, 02:37 PM

Richard are you sure you want to throw MS into this topic. I can see about 1000 Posts coming up. As a developer I find MS knows only one thing about copy right. Copy Right. And then defend it.
EULA's are horrible. There is nothing like buying a product and seeing in bold letters "by opening this product you agree to the EULA agreement located on the cd" Then reading it and disagreeing with it. What do you do.
Can't take it back to the store.

Do you people ever read the EULA's you agree to by just signing up to a web site.

Especially the privacy areas or the idea that anything you write becomes the property of the hosting site.

And another thing.

The way i see this Copy right thing going is that it will get to the point that you will have to copy right your own personal video's (trips, backyard bbqing birthdays etc...) pictures etc...

And to do this you will have to pay for that right from some company like MS and if you do not you will not be able to play it on any electronic equipment you own.

Same with music.

I can see it going that way.

I hope it does not happen.

It is not a criminal activity.

If it is then a rolling stop at a stop sign is a criminal activity. And you are a criminal if you do it.

Now all this can change if the Music industry , software industry place their product and consumer ahead of the margin and the stock holder.

But I think greed will win out.

Ethics and moral stances do not belong in this arguement. That is why the laws have to be worked out. It will take time and I do hope they keep the consumer in the best interest. But in the battle of control the consumer has the shallowest pockets.

I think I have even lost myself on this post.

Later.

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tesco samoa · #65 August 30th, 2001, 03:02 PM

http://promo.net/pg/

is the link

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disabled · #66 August 30th, 2001, 04:03 PM

Besides paying a subscription to use my computer and copyright overload, one other thing DRIVES ME INSANE.

I recently read that several television networks were asked by several advertising firms if they could 1.) Place ads in the lower right hand corner of the screen DURING TV SHOWS and 2.) SUPERIMPOSE images over the screen during television shows.

Honestly, I want to watch TV, NOT infomercials. Who wants to watch the opening shot of the new enterprise with a nice MCDONALDS logo splashed on top of it.

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#67 August 30th, 2001, 04:21 PM

In case there is any doubt, everything I have posted at Shrapnel Games' Forums is the intellectual property of Shrapnel Games' Forums. This should be implicitly understood by anyone using a forum.

I gave you a couple hours work providing a general web router data structure. To effectively use it you need algorithms which create a tolerant adaptive system. I can easily do that too, but giving it away for free would be cheating all the dummies out there who struggle so hard and still write programs full of bugs.....

dogscoff · #68 August 30th, 2001, 04:22 PM

Picard: Replicator, Earl Grey Tea, hot. Actually, cancel that, I think I'd prefer an Ice cold Coca Cola(tm). Mmmm, just can't get enough of that taste...

This idea might take off for a while, but I can't imagine it proving too popular. I think the general trend in advertising lately has ben towards th subtle. Advertisers will soon realise that if their advertising is too intrusive, it will generate a negative response from the purchasing public. I hope so anyway.

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LazarusLong42 · #69 August 30th, 2001, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by tesco samoa:
If it is then a rolling stop at a stop sign is a criminal activity. And you are a criminal if you do it.

Erm... yeah. It is/you are. In Ohio, first offense is a minor misdemeanor; second and subsequent offenses are misdemeanors of the fourth degree.

(No. I don't make rolling stops <G> )

LL

LazarusLong42 · #70 August 30th, 2001, 04:46 PM

<shudder> Did I hear someone say "Windows XP"?

Indeed, there's no reason for it. Piracy is one thing; using your own copy of software on more than one computer is another. And for that reason I will refuse to buy WinXP, OfficeXP, or any other technology that does the same thing.

(NB: The academic edition of Office2K had the same "feature" on it; they were apparently testing it for bigger and better things--and finding ways to get around those of us who got around it.)

Personally, I see no reason why they don't offer a "family" license: use WinXP/whatever on all of your family's computers. You pay $30-$40 more than standard pricing, and we don't care how many computers you put it on, but you're on your honor not to put it on computers not in your home/in dorm rooms or apartments belonging to people whose permanent address is still your home.

Much as I dislike Microsoft in many ways, I think I might even be willing to pay the extra few bucks, just to make sure they're not out looking for me.

LL