[OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.

[Wizarc]

...assassinate...shhh

[Shyrka]

Originally posted by Askan Nightbringer:
Well the Spanish government is supporting the war but the people aren't.

Of course not. Our leader has commited a political suicide.

I voted him Last elections May peace lovers forgive me

[oleg]

Originally posted by Instar:
.... Britain's carrier fleet, although impressive in its own fashion, pales in comparison. The British carriers are much smaller, and operate only V/STOL aircraft. No other Navy comes close (the Russian surface Navy is generally a joke, their carriers are the same idea as the British, I believe; similarly, I don't think the French carrier is seaworthy yet)...

FYI, Charles de Gaulle - the nuclear powered carrier - participated Last month in combined exercises with Harry S Truman group in Mediterranean. As to US taking over the world, I am glad that Russia still have a capability to completely annihilate US. With this warmonger in White House any peace and freedom loving country must have a potent military force !

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by oleg:

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Originally posted by Thermodyne:
... Perhaps we should just take out the oil fields and let Saddam live off of Iraq's remaining exports.

Now you start talking some sense! Isn't it exactly what will happen next month ?

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Our friends in France and Germany would never stand for that. Their reasons for opposing this war have very much to do with their desire to keep getting that oil. You start talking about taking out the oil fields and they may end up going to war after all....with us.

Geoschmo

[Krsqk]

Our friends in France and Germany

Friends???

They're all screaming "No war for oil!"

What they really mean is "No war!" for oil.

[Aloofi]

Originally posted by Instar:

A couple problems Ive seen:
About the US military being capable to take on the entire world, yes it is a bit of a stretch, but consider, the US Navy and Airforce are completely unmatched.

Nah, it just take one nuke in an American city and its game over for the US Hegemony. The American economy is based on the consumer confidence, and if that confidence its lost you'll see a recesion worst than the one in 30's. Every Hegemon through out history have had its greatest weakness on his very greatest strengh, like the British and their colonial empire, or Rome and their professional Heavy Infantry Legions.
You see, the Arabs know this, and that's why I understand the Americans going to war with Iraq, though I don't actively support them.
There is a lot of intelligence going around that Saddam already have a couple stolen Russian nukes, and that its something that any American administration can't accept.
Bad thing for America that this corporate cowboy became president. I'm pretty confident that Al Gore would have fought Al Qaeda to the end instead of trying to get Irak and its oil.

[Mephisto]

Originally posted by Krsqk:

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Our friends in France and Germany

Friends???

They're all screaming "No war for oil!"

What they really mean is "No war!" for oil.

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Actually, our Bundeskanzler screams "No war, re-elect me!".

Edit: "our", not "your"...

[ February 26, 2003, 21:37: Message edited by: Mephisto ]

[Instar]

Thanks Oleg for the update on the Charles de Gualle -- I read a while back that the French suspected sabotage because of the massive delays and mishaps, anything come of that? EDIT: I just read that the CdG carries and operates 40 aircraft, making it about only 1/2 of a US carrier. It is a step up from British carriers (which are S/VTOL only), but that is really no match for a US battlegroup. Seeing that the French made their own carrier aircraft (other than the kickin E-2C), I think that they will have a few kinks to work out. When they get all of their Rafale M's into service, they should be pretty well off. The Etendard is too old.
You are missing the point though, Aloofi. I was discussing conventional warfare. A single nuke in a US city, well, the way nuclear warfare goes, the US would probably glass whatever countries that were involved. Even if you nuked 10 or more cities, the US would still have the capability and would more than likely find out who did it, and then obliterate the offending party.

[ February 26, 2003, 15:54: Message edited by: Instar ]

[Aloofi]

Originally posted by Instar:
You are missing the point though, Aloofi. I was discussing conventional warfare. A single nuke in a US city, well, the way nuclear warfare goes, the US would probably glass whatever countries that were involved. Even if you nuked 10 or more cities, the US would still have the capability and would more than likely find out who did it, and then obliterate the offending party.

Don't think so. They have re-invented a new kind of warfare, in which a faceless terrorist organization do the attack. If Al Qaeda nuke a city who would you nuke back? Who will support you?
And even if you did, the damage its already done. I don't even wanna think how a post nuked US will be. I can easily see Democracy and individual freedoms being buried under 6 feet of military concrete. Or worst.

[rextorres]

If the UN votes not to go war and the US goes to war in spite of the UN isn't the US the rogue state?