[OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.

[tesco samoa]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/daily...927233,00.html

Is this true that the USA is setting up their own team of "WMD" inspectors......

[tesco samoa]

And I also wonder if the future of Iraq will be like Afghan. or Algeria ??

Which one is a worse future...

[Baron Munchausen]

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
And I also wonder if the future of Iraq will be like Afghan. or Algeria ??

Which one is a worse future...

Somalia might be a better comparison, actually. They are all the same 'ethnicity' but still fighting among themselves. The Kurds all have hatred for the Sunni tribes who have ruled with Saddam, so they won't want to join in a single government with them. But they also have internal hatreds and will continue to fight amongst themselves. The Shiia Arabs in the south of Iraq are the same. Their internal rivalries will become apparent soon after Saddam is really gone. Given the number of weapons hidden all over the country their will be a dozen new internal fractures within months of the fall of Baghdad. That date is not as close as the war planners had been claiming, though. They will have the city surrounded soon, and the arrival of the heavy armor division in a week or two will make it a tstorng seieg, but Saddamhas been planning for his and stored up lots of supplies. It might be next spring before the city actually falls -- if GWB can keep his **** together that long and maintain the military expedition.

I might be glad that GWB has obviously doomed himself politically, but it's going to be a horribly high price to pay to get the neo-fascists out of office.

[trooper]

33 civilians killed by bombing today, mostly women and children. more than a hundred others have been injured.

M Bush and M Blair, you are murderers. If there a justice in this world, you will be sued for that.
All those who have voted for you, all those who support your politic, all those who agree to pay for that dirty war are accomplice.

[oleg]

Originally posted by trooper:
...If there a justice in this world, you will be sued for that.
...

There is no justice, there is only judical system. And they will walk away, just read my signature

[oleg]

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/daily...927233,00.html

Is this true that the USA is setting up their own team of "WMD" inspectors......

Yes, it is contracted to a subsidiary of Halliburton of wich Dick Cheney was the chairman before joining Bush team. It is not about USA security, it is not even about oil. It is about personal greed of few Americans.

[raynfala]

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...round/oicw.htm

check out this piece of hardware.

At a previous job, I worked with an engineer who used to work for Alliant. He worked on the fuse for the OICW "bullet". A very interesting technical challenge, to say the least.

He said he saw the OICW test fired at a couple of dummies situated behind a protective barrier. They programmed the bullets to burst just beyond the barrier. According to him, the results were... quite gruesome.

--Raynfala

[trooper]

Bu the way, if you think it's anti-war french propaganda :

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...1503&ncid=1478

I don't think sky news speak of such "insignifant" details. It's what the White house calls "collateral damages"

This war makes me sick.

[rextorres]

Originally posted by Baron Munchausen:
I might be glad that GWB has obviously doomed himself politically, but it's going to be a horribly high price to pay to get the neo-fascists out of office.

Unfortunately - I am not so sure about that - I listen to conservative radio programs and most of them say that what's going on in Iraq was intended - and they are blaming any problems they may have on French or Turkish intransigence.

First of all the Turks didn't let us use Turkey in '91 when we had some moral authority and real diplomacy then. So any plan that involved invading from Turkey was wishful thinking and inherently flawed to begin with.

Also Rumsfield's plan obviously screwed up the supply issue - it's not a good thing when an M1A1 is sitting in the desert with no gas.

They also underestimated Iraqi nationalism - I saw a picture of the "sinister" militia and most of them looked like civilians to me - I mean apparently these people can't hit the side of a barn so it suggests to me that most of the people picked up a gun pretty recently and have no training. What people forget is that the Iraqis got rid of the Brits 40 or so years ago and every Iraqi child is taught of THAT liberation so they are never going to accept reimposition of what they perceive as an attempt at colonial rule.

[ April 01, 2003, 19:26: Message edited by: rextorres ]

[primitive]

Tesco, Raynfala:

Please start another thread for your discussions of how cool weapons are.