[OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics. - Page 79

primitive · #**781** April 2nd, 2003, 02:58 AM

Geo
“Interesting” theory. I have not seen any pictures of that actual roadblock yet, but it is not always obvious where you are supposed to stop. If the cover-up is not too big, we may learn something later today.

rextorres · #**782** April 2nd, 2003, 03:40 AM

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Also Rumsfield's plan obviously screwed up the supply issue - it's not a good thing when an M1A1 is sitting in the desert with no gas.

I suppose your vast experience in military logistics tells you that?

The logistical train is catching up with the forward group. That's why they paused a few days ago.

It's not simply a matter of driving through a sector with a resupply depot, after all. (Or even fleeting 'tanker' ships with other ships.)

So your saying that they planned for the tanks to be 50 miles from Bagdad short on fuel and for the soldiers to get caught short on rations!?

I'm not a logistical expert no, but it doesn't take a military genius to figure out that it was not intended that way and that it's not a good thing. We won't know why until it's all over, but my guess is the "unwargamed" militia is what has caused all the supply problems.

rextorres · #**783** April 2nd, 2003, 03:42 AM

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Originally posted by Krsqk:
From what I heard today, the statement given at noon EST today was dated 3-29-03.

There is a theory that the reason that Iraqis have had such a coherent resistance is that he's either gone or too incapacitated to be involved.

tesco samoa · #**784** April 2nd, 2003, 05:38 AM

primitive : Sorry...

David G : I do not think it matters if S.H. is dead or alive.. It would change nothing. What must be done will be done reguardless of who is on the receiving end.

Crazy_Dog · #**785** April 2nd, 2003, 10:29 AM

Russian military intel update: War in Iraq, April 1

http://www1.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_art...d=1398&lang=en

Mephisto · #**786** April 2nd, 2003, 10:49 AM

I just hope the Coalition will make swift progress now. Every day increases the suffering of the bystanders. Regarding the firing incident with the killed family: It�s a tragedy but we will see more of this and I don�t think you can blame either side to much. I don�t know if I as the driver would have stopped the car if someone fires a weapon around me. I don�t know if he fires upon me or just the air and to stop and see what is fired upon might not be a good idea � it could be me!
On the other hand, after 4 comrades were killed by a car bomb and some big car is heading my way without stopping after I have signalled a �Stop!�, I might just as well fire at the car. Better them then me and my comrades. Really, I don�t want to be in their shoes down there�

Aloofi · #**787** April 2nd, 2003, 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by DavidG:
Cover-up? It has already been reported that the platoon leader's commander tore a strip out of the guy for not firing the warning shot early enough. "You f--ing killed a family" he supposedly said.

Hahaha, do you really believe that?
That is just part of the cover-up!

kalthalior · #**788** April 2nd, 2003, 07:14 PM

Map of area around Baghdad, and Coalition advance
Advance on Baghdad

Alpha Kodiak · #**789** April 2nd, 2003, 09:01 PM

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Originally posted by Crazy_Dog:
Iraq, Testing Ground for US Hi-tech Weapons
http://www1.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_art...d=1395&lang=en

Ok, this one I can't let pass. Logically, every weapon system (except perhaps the fist) ever used in warfare from the dawn of time had to be used for the first time in battle at some time. Perhaps we should arm our troops only with stone knives and clubs to keep things fair.

Sinapus · #**790** April 2nd, 2003, 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by rextorres:

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Originally posted by Sinapus:
The logistical train is catching up with the forward group. That's why they paused a few days ago.

It's not simply a matter of driving through a sector with a resupply depot, after all. (Or even fleeting 'tanker' ships with other ships.)

So your saying that they planned for the tanks to be 50 miles from Bagdad short on fuel and for the soldiers to get caught short on rations!?

You've never studied logistics, or spoken with someone familiar with the subject, right?

Shortages are indeed expected. Same with maintenance failures on armored vehicles.

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I'm not a logistical expert no, but it doesn't take a military genius to figure out that it was not intended that way and that it's not a good thing. We won't know why until it's all over, but my guess is the "unwargamed" militia is what has caused all the supply problems.

It seems to take an armchair general, sitting in front of a computer thousands of kilometers away from the front, who has an axe to grind to come to conclusions based on ignorance and what you think it should be like.

Even if the "unwargamed" militia hadn't shown up, they'd still have to pause periodically so the trucks carrying fuel, beans and ammunition could catch up. (Not to mention let the troops get some sleep.) Which, of course, would lead you to presume incompetence in the planners, right?

Btw, there's a wide gulf between "this was not in the plan" and ["WE'RE DOOMED, MAN! QUAGMIRED, MAN! SUPPLY LINE CUT, MAN!" "STAY CALM MOMMY, I MEAN, SQUAT!"]

[ April 02, 2003, 23:12: Message edited by: Sinapus ]