MBT's

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Here's a video from IMI of Israel of the M-60T MKI (2004) as it was going through initial developmental trials and testing for the Turkish Army in Israel. And it has some relaxing music as it's shooting at targets and ends the debate on the M-60A1 being the Turkish platform; though Turkey plans to update it's M-60A3 tanks to the M-60T standard as the ALTAY MBT program has been delayed for various reasons. The ALTAY is similar to S. Korea's (Partnered w/Turkey in the ALTAY program.) K2 MBT. First ALTAY prototypes for evaluation not expected until 2013 at present. It could be one of the last new tanks to make into the game before it "expires" in 2020.
Anyway for your viewing pleasure about 5 min. long.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC1dQ...eature=related

A short video of the M-60T I believe getting ready for the Victory Day Parade. Maybe you experts might see something useful in it's makeup as shown (Remember I do Subs!?!). < then 1 min. long.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU1vrUEoqgc&NR=1

Also research into this or other topics has lead to some natural "off shoots" such as the M-60A1 RISE/PASSIVE was the main MBT of the USMC until they recieved their M1 ABRAMS and served with the CORPS in Desert Storm. This is an end date issue in the game. Turkey actually got their M-60A1 MBT'S from the CORPS when the U.S. "donated" the tanks to them.

Hope your weekends are going well!! Mine's just starting!!

Regards,
Pat

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

At AAD 2010 being held @ Cape Town SA the question is being asked if the SADF might be seeking a new MBT, you decide, and I'll track this.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/aad_2..._mk_2_aad.html

Enjoy your weekends!

Regards,
Pat

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

For the purpose of my list of inputs for the next patch, are the USMC M60A1 RISE tanks meant to be the same as the
M60A1 RISE/PASSIVE tanks? The "PASSIVE" was a slightly later upgrade. The answer will possibly affect two other countries. For other folks that included myself, the M60A1 RISE was an engine improvement program similar to the current M1A1 TIGER engine improvement program. The PASSIVE part of the M60A1 RISE/PASSIVE added a "STARLIGHT" targeting system.

Pic:
Source:
http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/pics/m60.html scroll down about four pictures to the one above with explanation.

Thanks in advance!
Regards,
Pat

[DRG]

Combined. The engine upgrade does nothing game wise

Don

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

I was looking into something else and came across this website (Again!) and started reading. This series of articles concerning India's MBT program just sounds so typical of what's happening everywhere in the weapons procurement area. We know the results as posted to this thread already about the duel in the desert between the ARJUN and T-90 (The T-72's though originally to also participate were withdrawn as you'll see why if you read the articles here posted and earlier on this thread.) and that the ARJUN is in further production also to include the MKII production to have moved up to next year vice 2012. Though posted on this site the author also wrote these for the Business Standard. I hope you find these worth reading, so here's a lessons learned on how not to run a weapons program.
1. http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2010/...trials-in.html

2. http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2010/...jun-tanks.html

3. http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2010/...armour-of.html

Bonus:
4. http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2010/...armour-of.html

5. http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2010/...sian-t-90.html
Please take note of the comparison chart at the top of the article it looks like they took the best of what's offered by what most people would consider the top five tanks in the world.

Very interesting at least to me anyway and in line with what most of my other resources have said as well concerning the "broader bigger picture" on this subject.

TAKE CARE!!

Regards,
Pat
Always watching, listening, reading and learning.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Well I stayed with the site as posted previous to this noting that some major international stuff is posted as well but, looking for more on ARJUN. These next three articles except for orders and upgrades, about close the loop on presenting the arms procurement cycle. If your following along then you'll appreciate the last article as it's "the icing on the cake" for the procurement process and typical to move onto "the next best thing." so good reading to you.

1. http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2010/...jun-tanks.html this marks the immediate move to the MKII and eventual back fit to all the MKI tanks as posted already to the thread.

2. http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2010/...c-day-for.html IMOD release on procuring an additional 124 ARJUN's. Based on the above article that should make the ARJUN MKII available by Jan. 2012.

3. http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2010/...rs-100000.html

I hope you enjoy the rest of your weekends as mine is just starting.

John if you reading per some of our earlier comments, "CINCLANT HOME" has declared this my "social network" so I have a little more freedom to carry on!

Regards,
Pat

[Imp]

CINCLANT HOME

Could be a keeper

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

John,
Just passed 24yrs. wouldn't trade her for even a Bugatti Veyron Super Sport, not for even two of them! As discussed will present VIRSS to simulate HITFIST. Still working on the "list" but things like the M60T issue has taken me down the M60 tank series "rabbit hole" and slowing the whole process up. Sometimes the "net" isn't all that helpful and just full of conjecture. As you might say I'll "muddle" through it and will make the call, present it and see what happens. Anyway back to it for a little longer.

Regards,
Pat

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

For the purpose of my list of inputs for the next patch, are the USMC M60A1 RISE tanks meant to be the same as the
M60A1 RISE/PASSIVE tanks? The "PASSIVE" was a slightly later upgrade. The answer will possibly affect two other countries. For other folks that included myself, the M60A1 RISE was an engine improvement program similar to the current M1A1 TIGER engine improvement program. The PASSIVE part of the M60A1 RISE/PASSIVE added a "STARLIGHT" targeting system.

Pic: Attachment 10573
Source:
http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/pics/m60.html scroll down about four pictures to the one above with explanation.

Thanks in advance!
Regards,
Pat

I'll second Don on this.
From my own research while revising the USMC OOB I found the difference between the M60A1 RISE (1979) and the M60A1 RISE/Passive (ca. 1983) to be negligible in WinSPMBT terms. What I called the M60A1 RISE/ERA in my OOB revision (ca. 1988) is the upgrade to the M60A1 RISE due to the addition of the ERA system.
Not that Don needs me to second him But I've found a second opinion does help verify what we already know.

[RoPlayer]

This seems to be the best spot to to raise the following possible issue.

I have noticed that the Chinese ZTZ-99/Type 99 lags somewhat behind the times in-game, in terms of fire control and possibly ERA/APS. More specifically, I am talking about the ZTZ-99A1 and ZTZ-99A2.

Public sites such as sinodefence, army-technology or armyrecognition mention fire control improvements both for the A1 and A2. A1 is mentioned to possess some kind of ERA while A2 is mentioned to have an Active Protection System. What specialized sites like Jane's have to say about this, I do not now, I don't have a subscription.

Still,it stands out that a Fire Control value of 40 remains constant between ZTZ-99,ZTZ-99A1 and ZTZ-99A2. This is contrasted by the improvement of the armor scheme, as does the improvement of the main gun's penetration.

Would it be over-estimating the capabilities of the ZTZ-99A1 and A2 if I were to propose the standard FC improvement increment of 5 between eras? 45 for A1, 50 for A2?

Also, would ERA on A1 and A2 and an APS on A2 merit a good look, or is it just hype without base?