PBW RACE TO SEV TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS

[Slynky]

LOL, Joachim. Dude, you're too good to worry about the Talisman .

It's a "one winner" game and any players in their right mind would NOT allow such a dangerous player to make it to the "Talisman" point. I'd never ally with one. AND, there is no trading, so they are on their own. In other words, expecting racial points to lower Aggression...hehe...can you spell "ripe for the picking"?

I know how you feel about the Talisman but...I'd LOVE to find myself beside one and have a treaty with another person that borders them .

So, I say, "Take Religious if you dare!"

[Kana]

Only 6 !!!! Sure seemed more than that...I assume those are only the the ones who have actually paid....Wow...

Kana

[Joachim]

Originally posted by Slynky:
LOL, Joachim. Dude, you're too good to worry about the Talisman .

It's a "one winner" game and any players in their right mind would NOT allow such a dangerous player to make it to the "Talisman" point. I'd never ally with one. AND, there is no trading, so they are on their own. In other words, expecting racial points to lower Aggression...hehe...can you spell "ripe for the picking"?

I know how you feel about the Talisman but...I'd LOVE to find myself beside one and have a treaty with another person that borders them .

So, I say, "Take Religious if you dare!"

You're on!

You can get it too quickly with that many planets. The no trading helps the Talisman more as that puts everyone in the same boat, where as you might usually get the situation where no non-religious people will trade with the zealot (such as NGC 4 where I had to research ice tech).

And who said you have to lower aggression? I know it is the standard set up but there are other things...

I am not saying that taking the talisman is not risky, especially if you have a good/experienced player nearby. But, I think you can defend long enough to then be un-killable.

[ July 05, 2004, 05:16: Message edited by: Joachim ]

[Slynky]

Well, we can "discuss" it all night... ...but looking at it as if it were me:

I would need to research Religious tech AND I'd need to get my Ions up to 3's, ships up to destroyers, I'd need some weapons (DUC 4 at least), and surely I'd need mines (to help stave off the attacks). Let's not forget PDs. Now, in case I'm under attack (as ANY person daring to take the Talisman should be ), I'll need off/def components. At least the 1st level of each. Those are the bare minimums, as I see it. That's a bit of research to take away from my Religious studies. Considering it's 1 person every 5 systems...I've got a neighbor who won't like me because I might be studying Religious stuff that I'll meet in 5 turns (or so).

And I always have to think about this: That any player I meet will already have met someone else...and THIS guy will say to his other "friend", "Hey, I need to do something that will benefit both of us...get rid of this Religious guy before he becomes dangerous. Give me a hand or let's agree to a treaty and borders while I take care of him."

Nope, give me "straight" stuff any day in this kind of game. I won the first round of another tourney (forget the name...but it never continued to the second round) with 4 other people. One of them had the Talisman. I opened up on him with fleets of 20-30 battleships in 4 - 5 different areas at a time. Yes, he hit but I swamped him!

Well, I'm not that great of a player so I guess I'd never chance it. I suppose it could be done by a very good player. Mark or Primitive might be able to pull it off but Rex, Asmala, etc., the really good players will not bother, methinks.

[Joachim]

I guess the key issue is *if* the talisman player has people next to them that will attack straight away, and if they can overcome the defences the talisman player can use until the talisman is on line.

In some ways it is a prisoner's dilema to have a talisman next to you. You do need to kill them, problem is is that it will weaken you considerably in the trying. While that will help everyone else in the game you may end up being worse off overall.

P.S I think we are still vaguely on thread but feel free to move this off - maybe to my 'cursed talisman' thread

[Alneyan]

You would be surprised Slynky I guess. But the biggest problem with taking the Talisman would be to avoid being declared the Mega Evil Empire because of it (and especially if you have quite a name; I would be adamant in killing a Religious Primitive as soon as possible. *Smirks*).

A single Empire can be repelled without too much trouble before the Talisman goes up I guess (you will need a few ships to get up and running against the Religious One after all, and the research that goes with it), but will the research go quickly enough to allow the Religious player to get this Talisman before major wars occur? And then, will this player be able to gather a fleet with good enough warships before time runs out? Having the Talisman on Destroyers wouldn't be too useful for example, since the Talisman is liable to be destroyed with the first blow.

But I am wandering, and shouldn't give such ideas to a prospective Religious player. Now more on topic: would something such as sending directly the money via mail be allowed? It doesn't necessarily have to go directly to Geo, but could be sent to someone else in the States (I seem to recall it is legal for the daring there; is my memory faulty once more?). I know it is quite complicated, but I do not currently have access to a way of sending checks in dollars, along with other similar problems.

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Joachim:
I guess the key issue is *if* the talisman player has people next to them that will attack straight away, and if they can overcome the defences the talisman player can use until the talisman is on line.

In some ways it is a prisoner's dilema to have a talisman next to you. You do need to kill them, problem is is that it will weaken you considerably in the trying. While that will help everyone else in the game you may end up being worse off overall.

P.S I think we are still vaguely on thread but feel free to move this off - maybe to my 'cursed talisman' thread

Yes, we don't need to debate it to death. As to it being a bit OT, since there was a suggestion to exclude it, it is a bit on topic.

Yes, the player who fights to prevent the Religious player from becoming "Talisman'd" will weaken himself. But if he can make good peace with his neighbors while he works on the war (and why shouldn't they agree?), remember, he will gain the property of that war as well while others may not be able to expand due to keeping peace with all their neighbors. And, if those neighbors ARE to expand, then they will be in a war as well .

So, to make a final remark as to the suggestion...I don't care one way or the other if Religious is allowed.

[Slynky]

Alneyan, can't you send an international check (cheque)?

If there is no other way, then disquise an envelope with the appropriate amount (paying careful attention to wrap the bills in paper so they can't be seen) and send it to me (I'll provide an address if you want to take this approach) and I'll just write a check to Tesco for both our entries. I promise you can trust me (as I must trust you to have sent it and not claim "it must have gotten lost in the mail").

This way, you may enter, Tesco will place us side-by-side and you can take the Religious trait ( ).

[tesco samoa]

Current list of players
1. alarikf
2. mark_w
3. RexTorres
4. Chronon
5. Mac
6. Hustler
7. Paladino
8. JKUO

Thank you.

[ July 06, 2004, 12:35: Message edited by: tesco samoa ]

[Alneyan]

Thank you Slynky. I will let you know if I need to use this kind of mean. On the other hand, I should really crank down on my games once of these days, and somehow signing in for new games doesn't seem to be the most effective way of doing so. *Smirks*

Obviously, I wouldn't take anything looking like a Religious Trait. I guess I would do better without painting a big, flashing target on myself by taking this trait after all.