Space Empires 101 - Galactic Council

[AMF]

Originally posted by trooper:
Alarikf,

You talk too much.

That's been said before. You should see me when I get REALLY worked up about something.

I just hate to see a game 'fouled' or bad feelings engendered by my leaving, when I might've avoided this by leaving in a "better" manner. Not sure if that actually would have been possible, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Originally posted by trooper:
Alarikf,
Do what you think is best before leaving the game.

After all, it's just a game, and it's time for an alliance to win.

Yes, and that, ironically, makes it all the more important that I make it perfectly clear that there was
1) no harm no foul - either intended or taken - by anyone, hopefully
2) I meant no disruption by my leaving - in or out of game
3) I REALLY thought that it made perfect sense to do what I did (ie: cede RCC to Thermolia) given what had gone on in the game earlier and the strategic situation. Again, my misperception.

Originally posted by trooper:
Too bad if this victory is helped by player's abandonments.

Well, my take is not that it is an "abandonment" but a political development. Politics is affected by "events" in reality - it's like the sudden collapse of the USSR or the revolution in France: no one could have predicted it, but it happened and it's a fact of life. I find it fascinating to examine how states respond to "big changes" like that - "something big happens that you aren't ready for, how do you deal with it?" And SEIV, being, partly, a strategic "simulation," is one way of observing such reactions.

Nevermind. I'm "talking too much" again.

Alarik

[Thermodyne]

IC:
Thermolia brings distressing news to the council today. We had planed to make an announcement of realignment and repatriation, but this is not possible under the current conditions. Thermolia and it’s newly joined peoples are under attack by the Cyber Collective. This is a most heinous act and was not preceded by any declaration of war. This war is a blatant act of aggression with the sole goal being the prevention of the realignment that Thermolia was planning to negotiate. Instead of gracefully receiving their fair share and just rewards, the CC has used its massive fleets to take what it is not lawfully entitled to. To allow them success in this endeavor will doom the galaxy to enslavement, and bring an end to civilization as we enjoy it today. We will all be doomed to be ruled by a race of ankle grabbers.

Thermolia now calls on its allies. We ask that they come to our aid during this time of need. We ask that they drive the barbarian ankle grabbers back to their dens. And restore peace to the galaxy. Only then can an equitable realignment take place. Only then can these worlds be returned to their rightful owners.


OOC: Ok here is the short Version. Any allies that show up for the fight will be well compensated. As it stands now, the CC will get it all. And we all know that this will not be the end of it, how will you stand against him then?

[Wardad]

Well, of course. NOW you act reasonable.
NOW you talk about negotiations and sharing.
There was no mention of that before, you know, back when I objected to RCC gifting an empire to you. That would have been the time to message.

The Cyber Empire has a long standing history of generousity, and will continue to do so.

It is sad that our former friends were double dealing us, and treating us as unpaid servants.

[Aiken]

1. About 50 years ago when Eysk was one of the weakest empires, leaders of the small nations (Eysk, Arteria and Vorlon) decided to form Lesser Union in order to protect each other and work together to achive economical and military success. We asked Thermolian Expanse to join us and be our leader. They refused, they told us that trade is the only kind of relations they want. I have no right to condemn their decision. But now we have opposite situation.

2. During Great Wars against Electrum and Dei-O, Eysk and Cyber Collective fought together hand by hand. Cybers are not most pleasant beings in the known universe, some of their actions are outrageous, but they never backstabbed us, so we won't do it too.

3. Cybersol started a dirty war. Where was no public war declaration. Cybersol draw in Citizen Federation to this war, although it was a conflict between 2 empires only. Previous demands of Cyber Collective are scandalous, and I think that the real reason of this war is greed.

We can't decide which side to choose, so we will stay neutral. Please don't use our systems for military routes and don't open warps into our space.

Eysk promised to not make any hostility against galactic races, but since all the treaties are broken and laws are crushed, I'm, Admiral Shekk, proud to declare Big Hunt for Wendigo Pride. Treat this as war declaration if you want.

[TerranC]

We of the Wendigo are saddened to hear of the news of late, news of shattered alliances and news of newlymade threats of war, but we must say that we are not surprised, and have been expecting such a cataclysm, seeing how the childish yet dangerous colonial ambitions of the Citizen Federation and the desperate need to be vindicated for innumerable losses of the Cyber Collective coupled with naivete of the RCC and their hopes of a galactic order with them being at its forefront, and their happy-go-lucky allies of once grand, once proud Thermolia, add the ambitions of the smaller races were bound to collide.

We of the Wendigo had hoped that our disengagement from the council with our ill-found gains and whatnot would actually save it from such a fate, and had hoped that other smaller races would also disengage, creating a non-aligned movement; but after returning from a deep slumber, we see that we could have been the catalyst for this pandemonium. Nevertheless, we shall stick by our decision made in the yesterwake, albeit with a slight change; we now renounce our former territorial revendications and consider all our previous attempts at brinksmanship void. I, on behalf of my pride, would also express my sincerest apologies to the RCC and particularily to His Majesty King Bio, for the covert actions undertaken against your empire by the awakened, who were supposed safeguard the Voyagers of the Dreams, instead of trying to carve out a small piece of the galaxy for themselves.

As a show of my regrets, we shall give your empire some of Electrum's ships garnered in the surrender, as much as we can spare, as soon as we get the chance.

But as all things turn in our little corner of the universe, we wish to reestablish our diplomatic links at their zenith before this sorrowful try at treason came to pass.

We shall await your responce.

And as for you dear marshall; it is true, I shall forfeit; my actions were of cowardice, one could say. But they were more of concern for the well being of my people, as you would have done, you also must concede to that. My people would have fought to the death, as I have repeatedly said, if that is what needs to be done; but a valiant warrior is valiant when he fights a fair battle and wins; only fools expect to fight against insurmountable odds and expect to survive.

I hope my answer finds itself well within you, but before I end with my volition of words, I have this to say; I would watch my vocabulary wisely, lest you find yourself a mockery of the galaxy.

And as for you, my dear admiral, the pride shall very much enjoying releasing your pitiful souls unto the unknown. I look forward to meeting your hunters, for they are now the hunted.

OoC: I'm back after three weeks of inactivity... sorry it took so long; there were some issues concerning my cable internet service, so I had to switch to sympatico, a DSL service, which took almost one week of waiting. Boy, it's good to be back into all this roleplaying I tell you.

[Wardad]

A prelude to war, after Alarik (RCC) sugested he would gift his systems to Thermodyne.:

Alarik,

This gives me serious heartburn.
I rescued both of you from a war Thermolia started.
I recieved nothing for it. You recieved all of Dei-Os territory.

Give Thermolia your native systems.
Give Cyber, Eysk, and Trooper the Dei-O systems.

I will not tolerate Thermolia recieving such resources.
Not after this message from them:
Message from the Thermolian Expanse:
"We offer this gift with the hope that you will bend over and grab them ankles."

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RCC rushed the gifting of systems, causing a rush to war on the Cybers part. The Cybers stand by the statement "I will not tolerate Thermolia recieving such resources." as a declaration of a war condition.

[Wardad]

blah blah blah....
u talk too much

[Chris Blagdon]

Greetings apologies for being ... err .. late. The Artarian diplomatic core have been observing these discussions for some time. Owing to the length of time it takes to traverse the Galaxy in our woefully outdated ships I'm afraid our ambassador has only just arrived.

King Maximal ll sends everyone his best wishes. And also let it be known that he has dispatched a fleet to Thermolian territory to act as a potential peace keeping force. I know, I know the wars just started. But it will take them such a long time to get there one side or another will be sueing for peace by then.
I ask that all empires allow this fleet free passage.

Dont worry about us being unable to contact our fleet we have just installed a marvellous new device that we're calling a telephone. We also proudly announce that we are researching into a brand new device called a radiophone. Which will cancel the need for spooling all that cable out behind the ships.
We will be taking orders for both these exciting new technologies at our council embassy.
Yours truly Ambassaor Tosh.

[Thermodyne]

IC: “Thermolia fails to see any reason for war in your statement except for the greed of your government. At the time you were making your demands, Thermolia had no war bootie to offer to anyone. And we had only just become aware of the merger; there were no talks on this point. The offer was made as a take it of leave it proposition. Your attacks, and the transfer of assets, took place on the same cycle. So we feel that it is safe to say that you have mis-spoken and that your facts are not in order. Or, that you are disrespecting the gathered members of this council by trying to pass this lie off as truth.

As to the offer of a gift, this is true. Thermolia made a substantial gift of resources to your people. We did this without being asked and in return we were attacked. We even included the act of respect in the wording of the gift. We have observed your citizens making this act of respect many times. When high officials pass by, your people drop their lower garments and bend over, offering their bare hind quarters in respect. We thought that you would be pleased.

We Thermolian’s see through your fabrications. We see you for what you really are. And we now take this opportunity to again warn the free peoples of the galaxy that your only goal is total domination. Your weak justification for this war does not begin to hide your true ambitions.”

With that said, the Thermolian Ambassador stepped back and spit on the floor, and made one Last comment to the distinguished gentleman gathered. “We Thermolians are eternal. It matters not what happens in this life, for there will be another. While we are this day in a fight that we can not at this time win, we will not back down. What ever happens, Thermolian honor will remain untarnished. But you sir, you and your Overmind, have demonstrated that you have no honor. You have shown all gathered here in this place, that honor is not something with which you are acquainted.” With that said, the Thermolian turned, made the customary Cyber display of respect (also known as the moon), then turned and gave the Thermolian sign for disrespect, then left the room.

[ July 23, 2004, 12:04: Message edited by: Thermodyne ]

[Wardad]

OOC:
This whole Empire Gift affair is an example of poor playmanship.

Some hosts say that surrender should go to the empire that does the most damage. Other hosts don't allow surrender and require turning the empire over to the AI. Still there are others that allow surrender. It is a matter of the house rules, and this game had no surrender rules.

BUT... The wholesale gifting of a major and playable empire is simply over the top. Especially when a large part of that empire was taken in surrender, due to a coalition action.
And especially when the gift giver is the host, and tired of the game.
Why could he not do the normal thing, turn it over to the AI and find a replacement player?


IC:
The Thermolian Empire will be punished for accepting the gift. RCC will be punished by having their former empire torn apart.
Standby and continue in peace.
Join the effort and share the spoils.