AI Campaign => For a Challenging AI opponent

[oleg]

Originally posted by Grand Lord Vito:
Oleg have you even played AIC in Finite

JLS my friends and me play Finite all the time and we think the balance has always been fine, I guess you did the impossible JLS and did balance all game setups with one set of files, AIC not only works great in Finite it Works Great in No-Warp.

The Refining Community, Refining Society, and Refining Center are crucial to winning when playing finite, more so if you are not a Crystal Race.

Oleg in a finite game radioactive can disappear quickly. The radioactive traded at these centers are real important, not to mention the research the storage and every thing that is included.

Hey I am all for reducing the cost, but is it realistic, I think a Refining Centers are much more important in Finite then most Cities...

Sometimes I play Finite but I don't like it very much. Nature shrine is such a valuable building in Finite. I simply can not force myself not to pick Deeply Religious

Upgrade routine indeed makes cities less profitable - refining community cost 30K while colonial settlement only 6K.

40% upgrade cost makes settlement->City cost 28K
ref.comunity->ref.center cost 74K
The 46K difference will be repaid in 230 turns
Unless it was the first building on your first colony, game may be over by that time !

[Grand Lord Vito]

I am at my computer now Oleg and you are right

JLS did you drop the Cost of Cities and not drop or raise the cost of the Rad and Agr?


JLS you want to consider a decrease in the Refinning Com. but about 20 to 30% like Oleg recommended.

50% is to great.

[ October 28, 2003, 15:59: Message edited by: Grand Lord Vito ]

[Grand Lord Vito]

Originally posted by Alneyan:
I will perhaps try again a Finite Game, with or without High Tech cost this time.

You are joking right Alneyan.
In se4 you will be to low on the planet value by the time you researched Planet utilization 4 never mind Planet Utilization 6 or 7.

I dont think it is wise playing Finite at High Tech cost.

Try playing Finite at default or LOW Tech cost with No AI bonus

[ October 28, 2003, 16:07: Message edited by: Grand Lord Vito ]

[Alneyan]

Originally posted by Grand Lord Vito:

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Originally posted by Alneyan:
I will perhaps try again a Finite Game, with or without High Tech cost this time.

You are joking right Alneyan.
In se4 you will be to low on the planet value by the time you researched Planet utilization 4 never mind Planet Utilization 6 or 7.

I dont think it is wise playing Finite at High Tech cost.

Try playing Finite at default or LOW Tech cost with No AI bonus

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*Cough* Deeply Religious *Cough* Well, I am not sure if the Nature Shrine would work as well as the Value Improvement facilities though. I have to admit I tend to beg for pain to be dropped on me from time to time. *Smirks*

But would it work with a Nature Shrine instead of the Planet Utilization field? (Meaning no, or very late, Atmospher Converters though. Except with the use of Boarding Parties that is)

[Grand Lord Vito]

JLS I think the v3.02 AI in 4.0 is still great but you also said you were going to upgrade the AI to catch up to v4.00. You said this will be done for v4.01 or v4.02.

When and how do you plan on doing this is you are (AWAY)

[Grand Lord Vito]

JLS:
Only a few updates left in me and that is it

Right I heard this before from you JLS

[JLS]

Oleg, Alneyan and GLC, is this more in line with your desires?

If so, it will be in v4.01 patch that is will be released in a few weeks

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[JLS]

GLV.

Alneyan and I have decided to test these Warp Open values.

Any feed back on this? If its a go and after testing then it will be out in the v4.01 patch.

I am not going (away) ???

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[ October 28, 2003, 19:33: Message edited by: JLS ]

[Alneyan]

One addendum about your Last post JLS. Please keep in mind there are differences in size between the different openers, which explain why the cost of some is lower than what you would expect.

* The level opener 5 requires a Medium Transport, as its size is about 450kt.
* The Last opener (level 7) needs a Large Transport, its size being above 700kt.

As for the facilities, I will let Oleg and GLV speak, I am no expert about Finite Games, and since these facilities are above all useful in Finite.

[JLS]

Originally posted by Alneyan:
As for the facilities, I will let Oleg and GLV speak, I am no expert about Finite Games, and since these facilities are above all useful in Finite.

At these reduced cost numbers, they may become a little more attractive in our Non-Finite games.

My main concern: If so, we need to keep an eye on the overall combined research package versus the AI over all Techs in the late Mid Game. In-game play testing will decide the future of these changes. However if this is another step in allowing more (but not easier) AI low to Medium Bonus Game; Human Player Victories, I am all for it.

[ October 28, 2003, 19:45: Message edited by: JLS ]