Holy Power

Amos · #1 June 18th, 2006, 03:34 PM

Can we have holy power for pretenders please. It seems nonsensical that priests have more holy power than their Gods. That priests can bless while their Gods cant. What is the rational for that?

If its because they are not really Gods then the priests shouldn't have any power either. If the bless strength is based on belief then bless from God should be as powerful if not more so than priests.

Nerfix · #2 June 18th, 2006, 03:47 PM

It's a game design decision. I suppose there could be an option to allow it though. That would help a bit with the temple getting earthquaked at turn 3 thing.

Resok · #3 June 18th, 2006, 06:44 PM

My take on the subject is this:

Blessing is based on belief and adherance to holy scriptures, learning, rituals, etc. Those beliefs are focused on the Pretender god. The pretender god's magical skills represent what powers/strength the god can both use personally, as well as instill upon his followers (after all you cannot give power that you yourself do not posess).

Now how would a pretender god be able to bless his followers with the strength of his faith/belief in..... himself? This is exactly why a pretender god needs his followers... to both spread his word (preaching), build temples in his name, and perform holy(or unholy) rituals and blessings with the strength of their faith and belief.

So in my opinion both from a design standpoint and a lore/conceptual standpoint not giving Pretender gods a 'holy/unholy' magic choice makes sense.

Again this is all just my perspective on the subject... hope that I offered some useful input.

Resok

Gandalf Parker · #4 June 18th, 2006, 07:03 PM

That makes sense. I can instill power of belief in my followers but I cant bless myself and gain abilities due to beliving in the godhood of myself. After all, Im a "pretender" at this point (but shhhhh dont tell my followers that)

Amos · #5 June 18th, 2006, 07:49 PM

That's the main difference between Catholicism and Protestantism. In Catholicism you need priesthood to mediate between you and your God. In Protestantism you have a direct link to God, hence the blessings you receive come directly from God. The problem with applying Catholic model to this situation is that this God is directly present, hence no mediation of catholic level required. You don't need a Pope if you have a life God walking in your midst. So the expectation will be of blessing coming directly from God. It's like Jesus asking his apostles to perform miracles, instead of him, because he hasn't ascended yet

DominionsFan · #6 June 18th, 2006, 08:19 PM

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Amos said:
That's the main difference between Catholicism and Protestantism. In Catholicism you need priesthood to mediate between you and your God. In Protestantism you have a direct link to God, hence the blessings you receive come directly from God. The problem with applying Catholic model to this situation is that this God is directly present, hence no mediation of catholic level required. You don't need a Pope if you have a life God walking in your midst. So the expectation will be of blessing coming directly from God. It's like Jesus asking his apostles to create miracles, instead of him, because he hasn't ascended yet

Heh speaking about religion...I find it hard to believe that how can the millions on the planet believe in something like "God". There is no such thing as "God". Everything what is related to religion is pointless if you ask me. My whole family is catholic, but I cannot believe in anything what is not existing. This is my personal opinion of course, and my family cannot accept my opinion in this topic. I think that they are not rational enough.

PS. Sorry for going OT, but I had to write down my thoughts about this, since it was mentioned.

Amos · #7 June 18th, 2006, 08:29 PM

Being religious is being irrational by definition. All leaps of faith are irrational because they are not built on rational analysis. Not believing in God and not believing in religion are different things. Denying existence of God/gods is as irrational as believing in It/them because you cant prove either way (The most logical proofs of Gods existence, Ontological of St.Anselm and Geometrical of Spinoza, are still extremely problematic).
But we digress

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Gandalf Parker · #8 June 18th, 2006, 08:36 PM

Id gladly argue all of you guys points in any genre you wish (scientific, mathematic, worth, science is a religion) but lets not.

It would endanger a perfectly good thread.

Agrajag · #9 June 19th, 2006, 05:33 AM

IIRC it goes a little like this:
Man: Prove to me that you exist.
GOD: I refuse to prove my existance, because proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.
Man: So don't you think the bable fish is a dead give-away?
GOD: Oh, that's right.
*God promptly vanishes in a puff of logic*
*Man goes on to prove that black is white and gets killed in the next zebra crossing*

Nerfix · #10 June 19th, 2006, 05:35 AM

Actually, I'd be happy if pretenders could build temples.