3 bogarus questions

Slobby · #1 January 30th, 2009, 11:50 PM

1. Firebird description says that it brings good fortune. Just flavor text or does it increase luck/good events? I've never noticed an increase in luck scales.

2. Likho description says that it brings misfortune. Just flavor text or does it increase misfortune/bad events? I've never noticed an increase in misfortune scales.

3. Zmey...they have the flying tag and yet...they don't seem to want to fly in battle. They fly away when routed tho.

Thilock_Dominus · #2 January 31st, 2009, 01:47 AM

My guess is Firebird that it prevent % bad event in current province and vice versa for Likho.

JimMorrison · #3 January 31st, 2009, 02:11 AM

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My guess is Firebird that it prevent % bad event in current province and vice versa for Likho.

That is the Fortune Telling ability, and if so, the icon would appear in the details. And there is no negative counterpart to Fortune Telling, so.....

Gregstrom · #4 January 31st, 2009, 06:38 AM

Some pretenders bring good fortune (as opposed to fortune telling), and there's no icon for that AFAIK. It's possible that the Firebird does the same.

If that is the case, it's reasonable the Likho could do the opposite.

I've noticed the same with the Zmey. Maybe it's related to the them having a missile weapon?

JimMorrison · #5 January 31st, 2009, 07:00 AM

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Some pretenders bring good fortune (as opposed to fortune telling), and there's no icon for that AFAIK. It's possible that the Firebird does the same.

But if they do not have Fortune Telling, nor do the scales in the province change, then it is nothing but flavor text.

Gregstrom · #6 January 31st, 2009, 07:32 AM

I was referring to the ability the Lady of Fortune (unit it# 1344 in edi's db) has - the % chance for an extra good event happening in the province they occupy.

Of course, the firebird doesn't have that ability listed in its db entry so the point is moot. The Likho does have 'causes misfortune' listed though. Perhaps that is a % chance for an extra bad event happening in the province?

Slobby · #7 January 31st, 2009, 11:26 AM

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I've noticed the same with the Zmey. Maybe it's related to the them having a missile weapon?

That could be it...have you ever been able to get them to breathe fire? I haven't, they just stumble forward and bite.

JimMorrison · #8 January 31st, 2009, 12:54 PM

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I've noticed the same with the Zmey. Maybe it's related to the them having a missile weapon?

That could be it...have you ever been able to get them to breathe fire? I haven't, they just stumble forward and bite.

Well, flying units set to Fire, will walk rather than fly, to get closer. AFAIK, the only reason they would just keep walking forward to melee, is if the first unit in the squad didn't have a ranged weapon.

Though I have seen isolated (rare) incidents of exotic units ignoring Fire commands, and rushing to melee. It tends to be very expensive and frustrating, that's for sure. I wonder if there could be anything about the Zmey that might actually help JK finally find that bug?

Re: Lady of Fortune..... there is the slight chance that the info in the DB is outdated or incorrect. It's an offchance, but sometimes small changes don't get noticed immediately (especially involving units that people rarely use), so it's possible. I've used her before though and never noticed anything out of the ordinary. Maybe I'll poke Edi and see what he thinks - though he gets ornery when poked.

Gregstrom · #9 January 31st, 2009, 02:29 PM

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Re: Lady of Fortune..... there is the slight chance that the info in the DB is outdated or incorrect. It's an offchance, but sometimes small changes don't get noticed immediately (especially involving units that people rarely use), so it's possible. I've used her before though and never noticed anything out of the ordinary. Maybe I'll poke Edi and see what he thinks - though he gets ornery when poked.

The effect is thematic, so I'm not sure why it would be changed or removed between versions. It might never have been there at all, but that begs the question 'why is it in the db?' If it is a genuine effect of the unit, it's pretty subtle anyway. A small chance of an extra lucky event (likely taken from those allowed by the province's luck scale) would be pretty hard to notice anyway.

FWIW, the Lord of Plenty has the same special listed in the db.

KissBlade · #10 January 31st, 2009, 02:46 PM

I believe the firebird portends fortune to your neighbors because it means they've started near Bogarus. A good omen for many. =)