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Edi March 19th, 2009 06:19 AM

Re: Patch 3.23
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Micah (Post 681045)
teaching sign and PotS aren't the same effect? That's surprising.

Hmm, could be the same, but I'm not sure. Teaching sign is caster only, +1 all paths. Power of the Spheres should do the same thing a different way. At least it should be tested, because if you can get +2 all paths with two spells and then perhaps use another booster spell to add to certain ones, it could lead to all kinds of funny business on the battlefield.

Poopsi March 19th, 2009 07:39 AM

Re: Patch 3.23
 
A comment on site searching spells: They might not autoaim on your capital anymore, but they DO autoaim on enemy capitals.

lch March 19th, 2009 07:45 AM

Re: Patch 3.23
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Edi (Post 681050)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Micah (Post 681045)
teaching sign and PotS aren't the same effect? That's surprising.

Hmm, could be the same, but I'm not sure. Teaching sign is caster only, +1 all paths.

According to the data, Power of the Spheres and Teaching Sign work exactly the same way, they have the same effect & "damage".

Edi March 19th, 2009 08:04 AM

Re: Patch 3.23
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lch (Post 681056)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Edi (Post 681050)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Micah (Post 681045)
teaching sign and PotS aren't the same effect? That's surprising.

Hmm, could be the same, but I'm not sure. Teaching sign is caster only, +1 all paths.

According to the data, Power of the Spheres and Teaching Sign work exactly the same way, they have the same effect & "damage".

Then the question becomes, since they are different spells, can they be stacked? If not, then the Shugenja is indeed a better prophet than onmyo-ji

llamabeast March 19th, 2009 08:07 AM

Re: Patch 3.23
 
I doubt they can be stacked if they're the same effect. Mostly that kind of thing doesn't work (e.g. Iron Will and Resist Magic).

Sombre March 19th, 2009 08:17 AM

Re: Patch 3.23
 
I bet my farm they can't be stacked.

lch March 19th, 2009 09:23 AM

Re: Patch 3.23
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Edi (Post 681061)
Then the question becomes, since they are different spells, can they be stacked?

Spells buffs work by adding flags to the units. Since those two enable the same flag, I'm pretty sure they won't stack, same as "Iron Will" doesn't stack with "Antimagic". The effect would stack with e.g. a Ring of Wizardry, which uses a different mechanic to raise magic levels.

VedalkenBear March 19th, 2009 06:34 PM

Re: Patch 3.23
 
Mm, sorry to raise such a controversial issue. As I recall, you can't use a Matrix to do a reverse communion? If so, that's an easy way out.

Besides, I was more meaning to use a Master Shugenja to power early expansion. Once you have the need (and capability) to fuel a mass reverse communion, you can always kill off the Shugenja and prophetize an Onmyoji.

Gregstrom March 19th, 2009 07:01 PM

Re: Patch 3.23
 
Matrix does the same communion effect as the spell, so there's no reason a reverse communion wouldn't work with it.

archaeolept March 19th, 2009 07:02 PM

Re: Patch 3.23
 
it's not controversial, there's just no reason to think the spell will stack w/ PotS, and reason to think that it wouldn't. As such, there is no reason to wait to prophetize some onmyoji; i'd either recruit a shugenja first turn, or just do the usual and prophetize the starting ninja.


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