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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, it would support a democracy even if it acts against it's economic interests. Why wouldn't it? You don't see the US invading Venezuela right now, right?

And even with the world's 2nd largest oil reserves, It wouldn't make that big of a impact regardless of whatever measures it takes; not with OPEC and the US watching over it.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The US managed to do a fine job of helping to rebuild Germany and Japan after WWII, and helping to get stable, autonomous, democratic governments set up in them. They were much greater enemies than Iraq is. Why would you expect less of the US now?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Lol. Because the president now is Bush and his prime interest is money. Thats pretty obvious.

Re: [OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.
 

I for one, don't want a true democracy in Iraq. Some type of representative government would be much better. A constitution that protects the rights of the minority is also extremely important. Otherwise, the strongest of the three or four major sects will likely "lord it over" all others. This could be almost as bad as Saddam and the Batth party exerting control over the other sects. Haven't heard anything about a constitutional convention in Iraq from the media. Has anyone else heard any news like this??

Greybeard

Re: [OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.
 

Story on meeting of some Iraqi leaders from MSNBC.

Iraqi leadership convention

Re: [OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.
 

Fyron... I believe that you must factor in Chilie, Panama , D.R. , Nic. , Columbia, Vietnam ,Granada etc... for the full picture of U.S.'s involvement in this issue on their support and helping with the development of 'Democracy'.

General Marshall was what I would call a visionary. He will be forgotten by history, which is wrong, but desk jockies do not make great hero's i guess.

P.S. guess the number of spelling mistakes in this post and win a prize

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Marshall was the most influential man of the twentieth century. He had greater beneficial effect than Einstein and more Lasting effect than Hitler or Lenin. His plan was not popular, was not traditional, was not the way things were done. I do not see anything like it being done any time soon.

U.S. will go places, make changes, and leave things in unstable changes-made state. Then chaos will undo any good that could have come from changes made, and everything still sucks.

Despite that, U.S. is still the greatest place to live and the best country over all. No one else has ever pulled off a Marshal Plan. No powerful country, including present and past European and Asian powers, has ever conquered a country and fixed it as well, and left it as independent, and the U.S. did to Germany and Japan. Heck, the fact that they disagree with the U.S. or think themselves superior is only testimony to how healthy they have been made to be.

Bash U.S., they _do_ make mistakes. Go ahead. They can't seem to do anything right in Central and South America. It's true.

But no that no other country, including yours, has fixed Japan or Germany. No other country, including yours, has saved the world from fascism or statist communism.

It is my fervent hope that the U.S. finds more men like Marshal. If they do not, we are all in a world of trouble.

Re: [OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Lol. Because the president now is Bush and his prime interest is money. Thats pretty obvious.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hmm... same with _every_ other president we have ever had... so why would you expect any difference now?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Lol. Because the president now is Bush and his prime interest is money. Thats pretty obvious.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hmm... same with _every_ other president we have ever had... so why would you expect any difference now?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's not entirely true. There was Millard Fillmore.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">1) It's "Chile", not "Chilie"
2) It's "Colombia", not "Columbia"
3) It's "jockeys", not "jockies
4) It's "heroes, not "hero's"
5) "I" is usually capitalized.

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