Re: [OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.
 

Is it true?

Re: [OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.
 

Can't say if it is true or not. A friend in Europe found it and sent it to me. Did a few searches and all I could find were that article and some comments about it elsewhere. Couldn't verify it independently myself.

Re: [OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Because it was whithin other Iraki papers?
Because it was written with the same machine or same hand writting than other papers?
Because it was written in an old paper?
Because of signatures?
Because of the date?
Because where it was found?
Because of the ink?

My friend, we live in a world where everything is falsificable.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yea no kidding. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I can only assume by these questions that you did not have access to the full article. Not that it matters since I guess you wouldn't believe it anyway. Do you really think the CIA is running around Iraq hidding forged papers in really obscure locations on the off chance someone will find them or that the Iraqi are so gifted they coverd up all their contact with bin Laden?

Re: [OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.
 

another intersting link

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/artic...447429,00.html

about Rumsfield and ABB and North Korea and reactors

Re: [OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.
 

OP-ED COLUMNIST
Matters of Emphasis
By PAUL KRUGMAN

We were not lying," a Bush administration official told ABC News. "But it was just a matter of emphasis." The official was referring to the way the administration hyped the threat that Saddam Hussein posed to the United States. According to the ABC report, the real reason for the war was that the administration "wanted to make a statement." And why Iraq? "Officials acknowledge that Saddam had all the requirements to make him, from their standpoint, the perfect target."

A British newspaper, The Independent, reports that "intelligence agencies on both sides of the Atlantic were furious that briefings they gave political leaders were distorted in the rush to war." One "high-level source" told the paper that "they ignored intelligence assessments which said Iraq was not a threat."

Sure enough, we have yet to find any weapons of mass destruction. It's hard to believe that we won't eventually find some poison gas or crude biological weapons. But those aren't true W.M.D.'s, the sort of weapons that can make a small, poor country a threat to the greatest power the world has ever known. Remember that President Bush made his case for war by warning of a "mushroom cloud." Clearly, Iraq didn't have anything like that - and Mr. Bush must have known that it didn't.

Does it matter that we were misled into war? Some people say that it doesn't: we won, and the Iraqi people have been freed. But we ought to ask some hard questions - not just about Iraq, but about ourselves.

First, why is our compassion so selective? In 2001 the World Health Organization - the same organization we now count on to protect us from SARS - called for a program to fight infectious diseases in poor countries, arguing that it would save the lives of millions of people every year. The U.S. share of the expenses would have been about $10 billion per year - a small fraction of what we will spend on war and occupation. Yet the Bush administration contemptuously dismissed the proposal.

Or consider one of America's first major postwar acts of diplomacy: blocking a plan to send U.N. peacekeepers to Ivory Coast (a former French colony) to enforce a truce in a vicious civil war. The U.S. complains that it will cost too much. And that must be true - we wouldn't let innocent people die just to spite the French, would we?

So it seems that our deep concern for the Iraqi people doesn't extend to suffering people elsewhere. I guess it's just a matter of emphasis. A cynic might point out, however, that saving lives peacefully doesn't offer any occasion to stage a victory parade.

Meanwhile, aren't the leaders of a democratic nation supposed to tell their citizens the truth?

One wonders whether most of the public will ever learn that the original case for war has turned out to be false. In fact, my guess is that most Americans believe that we have found W.M.D.'s. Each potential find gets blaring coverage on TV; how many people catch the later announcement - if it is ever announced - that it was a false alarm? It's a pattern of misinformation that recapitulates the way the war was sold in the first place. Each administration charge against Iraq received prominent coverage; the subsequent debunking did not.

Did the news media feel that it was unpatriotic to question the administration's credibility? Some strange things certainly happened. For example, in September Mr. Bush cited an International Atomic Energy Agency report that he said showed that Saddam was only months from having nuclear weapons. "I don't know what more evidence we need," he said. In fact, the report said no such thing - and for a few hours the lead story on MSNBC's Web site bore the headline "White House: Bush Misstated Report on Iraq." Then the story vanished - not just from the top of the page, but from the site.

Thanks to this pattern of loud assertions and muted or suppressed retractions, the American public probably believes that we went to war to avert an immediate threat - just as it believes that Saddam had something to do with Sept. 11.

Now it's true that the war removed an evil tyrant. But a democracy's decisions, right or wrong, are supposed to take place with the informed consent of its citizens. That didn't happen this time. And we are a democracy - aren't we?

source: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/29/opinion/29KRUG.html

Re: [OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.
 

Tesco, could you edit your post from a couple days ago with all those links so the format of this thread get back to normal?

Because now we have to side scroll due to those long links......

Re: [OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.
 

Strange, it appears that it was my quote of Tesco's links that was causing the problem. Oh, how I love computers....

Re: [OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.
 

really i do not get that at all ??? perhaps it is your screen size

Re: [OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.
 

Hey, now is perfect!
Thanks. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: [OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.
 

http://www.totalobscurity.com/mind/flagstore/

This is a great great site..... Just to show some humour in the thread...