Re: OT POLL: Do Nice Guys Finish Last??
 

Tesco,

Unfortunately, my hair hasn't been of the blue, red, green, purple, or orange variety for almost two http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif years. I'm considering purple once the whole corporate internship thing ends (it's a software company, but there still are *some* limits to the corporate culture). Should be fun.

And if this {link} is the Pumpkin you are referring to... I would probably like it, even if the reviews on imdb are lukewarm.

Renegade,

We all have different things that are important to us. It's good that you realize that relationships are a trade-off, and I think even better that you choose to pursue them anyway. And great that they apparently are chasing after you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

I guess my view is skewed from the fact that I haven't had any 'significant' relationships. In high school I was far too socially inept (read: geek, nerd, dweeb, etc), end of high school and college I focused more on friendships than anything with 'benefits'. And I guess it doesn't help that in SoCal, I would be considered below average... but like I said, doesn't matter, I have (I think) more important things to focus on. My dad seems to agree on the waiting part too (he married my mom when he was 20, she 18). Freedom to move around and discover a bit, instead of being anchored to one place/person.

...

I was going to say something else, but I forgot.

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That BullS**t will eventually catch up to you whether you want it to or not.

The thing is, if nice guys know that they are going to finish Last, then they can play the game under a differnt set of rules. Finding the rules that work best for you will be the challenge.

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Good point AT. And when it does catch up to me, I'm probably not gonna do much to resist (like Renegade, I'm not one to flat out reject).

But in the mean time, I don't spend time worrying about it. Hell, friends do it enough for me, since apparently it's not normal to be single http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif .

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As far as I can tell, you just go with girl or guy (I mean, their are one or two girls reading this) #2. In every story, it's allways the second one the're really in love with. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Wow this post quickly took off didnt it.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif , it had the magic four-letter word in it: girl.

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[quote]Originally posted by Gryphin:

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I'm not sure what your sourses are. The Neo Pagans I have met would nod, understand why you think that, and try to explain that *in general* Paganism is an earth based spiritualty and that Pagans follow the The wheel of the year, the cycle of life and the seasons and that each group has thier own interpretations and beliefs. They would dissagree with such a sweeping generalazation. But I am sure that different areas have different deffintions of Pagan. I love variety

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">In the english dictionary the definition of the word Pagan is someone who doesn't worship christianity or at least a polytheistic Religion. I think thats where Narf was coming from.

Don't mind the english language...We Brits have been stuck on our own Island for far too Long http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif It's why so many dislike the EU. It's not a "I don't agree politically wise" reason, it's "The Europeans are Invading Again!!!" Reason...It's in our blood after being invaded so many times before http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Sorry for jumping in late and probably off course....

Nice guys do finish Last. But the thing to notice is that they FINISH. Its the nice-guy strategy that gets you the Lasting relationship, home, family.

The high school "winners" are considered winners because they are playing the scoreboard for points. After highschool they either have to wise up and completely change their tactics, or die alone. When their goals shift from 1-nighters to relationships, then their targets probably will also.

Personally I have always preferred rubenesque women (same curves as everyone else likes but alittle farther apart). I guess its the empath in me. Id rather have one where I get points because I can truthfully tell her that her self-doubts mean nothing to me. Id rather one that needs help in the confidence department than one that needs NO help in the confidence department. Ive had so many bad experiences with the model-chicks that I actually turn them down if there is a heavier chick around. That probably sounds bad but its just truthfulness of my own faults.

[ July 13, 2004, 16:32: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]

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As a nice guy who took a while to achieve what he wanted to do, I can say it was worth the wait.


Being true to yourself if more important than just about anything else.

If you can't stand to look at yourself in the mirror in the morning for what you did or said yesterday, you're doing something wrong.

Wildcard

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See, that's why vampires are all evil. They can't look at themselves in the mirror anyway. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Will that is it... an upside is that Christina Ricci is in it... and as always looking good.

Alarikf... The http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif hehehe

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Nice guys finish Last, dead Last, i guarantee it. Be nice, and you will end up Last, experience has told me. Niceness screws you over in the end, beginning and middle.

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Nice guys, eventually win out in the end, you just have to wait and give it time.. Remember, never try to be something or someone your not. That is the worst thing one can do and you will regret it in the long run. Always be yourself, and if someone doesn't like it, tough, sooner or later, someone will come along, usually when you least expect it, and like you for yourself.

Example. I met my wife, when I pulled her over one night with her girl friend. towed the car, pulled them down to the station, called friend father to come and get them.... she was nasty, snotty, obnoxcious, smart mouthed, etc. Month later saw her at local bar, began talking with her, and to make long story short, married her 3 yrs later....

so always look on the bright side, what was meant to be will be and nothing you can do will change it. Just be yourself, have faith in yourself, and rmember, its her loss, not yours. Its all a part of life's trials and you will experience more in your life. Don't let something like this get you down, look on the bright side, you woke up this morning, and any day that happens, is a good day no matter what else takes place... besides you have many friends here, and most if not all of us have at one time or the other gone thru the same thing, some easier others harder...

you take care

[ July 16, 2004, 05:03: Message edited by: mac5732 ]

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There is, unfortunately, a tendancy for weakness to be mistaken for nice . . . nice . . .ness, nicety? Whatever.

One must be strong, learn to be strong, before one can actually be nice.

I could be wrong about that, but that's what I've learned in my own life.

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renegade 13, Nice guys are meant to finish Last because we are the ones who are best capable of handling it. We take the pain, and we move onto the next lesson in life.

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[ July 16, 2004, 05:57: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

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Thank you all for the advice and words of encouragement. It means a lot to me. Its kind of ironic though...I have more friends here than I do anywhere else! I suppose all we can do is live life day to day, and take what gets thrown at us.

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Without trying to sound like the "typical" adult "know it all", I might add in here that, with youth, there is a certain amount of impatience with life. Well, it seems to me from the people I know in the age group of 16-22. I'm not sure if the world is in a deeper state of gloom these days and some feel they need to have everything quicker before it all ends or what.

I'm not so old that I don't remember the pain of having feelings for someone and to have them ignored. I remember sitting on a riverbank in the hills of North Carolina with a rifle in my hand at age 19. So, I think I can empathize a bit.

And though it sounds really lame, your life will change, you will mature more (I still gain maturity even at my age, so don't take it as an insult http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ), and you WILL see that nice guys do NOT finish Last. Just remember, those girls have to mature also http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">So true... I think people gain maturity throughout their lives; it's just some gain far more slowly than others (e.g. that 40-year-old that never seemed to mature past 14). I think there's also a tendency for those in the 70+ years range to relapse into the maturity of someone in the 8-15 years range once in a while.

And also true that the girls have to mature... which can suck if your growth is a bit more fast paced.

Just hang in there. University is coming soon for you, right?

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Nice guys don't finish Last, because in life nobody really finishes. Life just keeps on going till you are dead. And then it doesn't matter where you place cause you are dead either way.

The only thing to do is keep on living. Be true to yourself, do things that make you happy at least some of the time, be as nice as you can to those around you, and try not to worry about the scoreboard.

If you are worried about the girl that got away, she's not the Last one you'll ever find. And trust me, often they are much more trouble then they are worth. Sometimes losing a girl is the best thing that could ever happen to you. Find one that loves you for who you are and you will be much happier.

[ July 16, 2004, 16:42: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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Interesting discussion. Lemme add my own thoughts.

Nice guys do finish Last, when it comes to a relationship. But what is Last? Later than all the school "winners"? Well, its Last by their list. Do you realy care?

I've known different people. I've known the "winners"/*******s, and nice guys (am one). I've also known the "too hot for my own good" girls and the nice girls.

Winners go for the hot and instinct. Nice guys think and wait. Me, am a good example, i believe. I watched peope date in gr.8 and gr.10. I decided that I should find someone too. It was a mental struggle, because initially i of course was attracted to the "hot" girls. Well, so bad, as i discovered a total lack of any personality worth a mention.

I dont know about all, but about me, and other "nice guys" i know, nice guys are picky. We dont choose the obvious, we go for the pearls. And, believe it or not, there are girls who think the same way as you do. Physical doesnt always declare the mindset of a girl.

Sure, you dont get to date that hot girl in your english class. But do you realy want a person with whom you wont be able to hold even a 15-minutes conversation on something besides her interests?

Now, an interesting observation from a maturing mind. I am currently in a relationship, and im reflecting on my past years. I was _NOT_ ready for this before. Then its a good thing it waited, no?

Nice guys finish Last. So said the "bad" guys, by their scale. Do you care? Nice guys work their way throughouthly and get the truly marvelous results.

Okay, its late, i should go sleep. If above doesnt make sense, I blame mrs. Time.

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Haha so Geo you have the "...and no one gets out alive" attitude eh? Sounds fair. And good advice. From all of you.

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