Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

Ulm...Agartha...you guys are killing me...

Vanheim

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

I'd be happy with either one, I've had a shot at winning with both in different games (didn't quite close the deal though). I suppose we're doing a random selection, but I tend to like taking the nations nobody else wants. Except MA Oceana, nobody could love that retarded abomination. Since I said that some joker is indubitably gonna toss them in the hat so I'd also like to suggest that each player get one or two choices of nations they really don't want to play out of the pool of nations.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

Hey, this is a vets game. You play what you get handed. And remember, someone else put it in there.

That said, I'd be happy to play MA Agartha. MA Ulm though? Oh dear god, so much fail.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

Oceania

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

Well luckily Lingchih has already said Pythium, so the Oceania doesn't count!

In all seriousness though I would much prefer if we didn't include a water nation. Or if we do, we should use Burnsaber's underwater mod.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

I'm all for no water nations. And by the great and fluffy lords, don't get me stuck with Agartha.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

You'd rather have Ulm? I wouldn't.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

Just trying to be confusing :)

No, I don't want water nations either.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

It's like having to choose between a finger in the eye and a knee to the groin. Neither is good, but dammit I can't take anymore fingers in the eye.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

So what happens next? I'm keen to start!

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

I think Corwin's out for the weekend, we'll probably carry on when he gets back.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

Perhaps you should just randomly assign nations, Corwin, since not too many have sent in candidates.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

Or randomly add nations to the set to randomly assign nations from. Seems a shame to throw away the selections we've made so far.

I'm keen to get started though. Are you around Corwin?

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

Hi guys. Sorry, I've been MIA for the last few days - I was away from civilization camping on the weekend, as I have warned earlier in this thread, and on Monday I've had family emergency that has been taking all my free time for the last few days and will keep doing so for a day or two more. My apologies.

Nevertheless I fully intend to kick this show on the road very soon - this week, over the weekend. Meanwhile since I am currently swarmed, if somebody could help me a bit and take a good look at the collection of available maps (Lamabeast has suggested llamaserver.net, which has large collection of maps), and choose 2-3 interesting maps that fit our criteria (about 15 provinces per players, 11 players total) for the final consideration, it would be awesome and I would really appreciate it.


Meanwhile - here is final list of players, together with nations they have chosen to throw into the virtual hat:

1. Baalz - Ulm
2. Aethyr - Vanheim
3. Squirreloid - Agartha
4. Dimaz - Abysia
5. Fakeymcfake - C'tis
6. Lingchih - Pythium
7. Llamabeast - T'ien Ch'i
8. PriestyMan(FL) - Shin
9. Graeme Dice(Diceman) - ???
10. Ghoul31 - Pangeya
11. Myself - Jotunheim

The only player who hasn't picked up a nation to throw into the hat is Graeme Dice. I'll send him PM in few minutes.

Here is the aprox. schedule for the game launch I would like to propose:

1. For the next 2 days, until Friday - finalize map selection, Graeme Dice submits his nation, I roll the dice and assign all nations to the players.

2. Friday - start designing and sending pretenders.

3. On Sunday (assuming the everybody has created and sent their pretenders by then) -

The Song of Ice and Fire will ring in the air, shaking the foundations of the mountains, diving into bottomless oceans, reaching to heavens, calling to experienced warriors, wizards and warlords to clash in the titanic struggle to claim the eternal Throne.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

Graeme has thrown ctis into the hat. technically he did it before fakey did. you gotta keep an eye on those other forums man. :P

so either he or fakey needs to pick again.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

Winter is coming.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

I'll pick again then, Machaka.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

Baalz always pays his debts.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

corwin - i will be gone friday-sunday this weekend, so if you could give nations out tomorrow asap that would be really helpful so that i could make a pretender hopefully tomorrow and send it in/to you before i leave, then i could not be holding up the game. if not, i'm really sorry to be the cause for more delay.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

Heh, it looks like both Graeme Dice and Fakeymcfake have chosen their 2nd pick as Machaka (based upon Graeme Dice's PM and Fakeymcfake's posting). Considering that they both selected C'tis as their first choice, it looks like they are certainly on the same brainwave. Regardless of who selected what, both Machacka and Ct'is has been added to the hat.

At the end, the virtual hat with all our choices looks like this:

1. Baalz - Ulm
2. Aethyr - Vanheim
3. Squirreloid - Agartha
4. Dimaz - Abysia
5. Fakeymcfake - C'tis
6. Lingchih - Pythium
7. Llamabeast - T'ien Ch'i
8. PriestyMan(FL) - Shinuyama
9. Graeme Dice - Machaka
10. Ghoul31 - Pangeya
11. Myself - Jotunheim

I've asked by Priestyman to speed up nation selection if I can, so he could create his pretender before leaving for the weekend and perhaps delaying the launch date. So I am going to go ahead and roll the dice now. The map selection will be done tomorrow(Friday) evening, unless I'll get some volonteer to help me choose the map today.

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...And so Dices of Fate have been thrown. Round and round they went, and as when they have finally stopped, the great collective sigh has been released by the owners of many mortal and immortal eyes who have been tracking dices movement closely...


In an age not yet dawned, the generations of bards will sing ballads and the piles of history books will be written with these names of the mighty nations and their cunning leaders, who had burned the Song of Ice and Fire with their steel, magic and blood into the very foundation of this world, changing it forever...

1. Baalz - Shinuyama
2. Aethyr - Ulm
3. Squirreloid - Pangeya
4. Dimaz - Vanheim
5. Fakeymcfake - Abyssia
6. Lingchih - Tien Chi
7. Llamabeast - Jotunheim
8. PriestyMan(FL) - Machaka
9. Graeme Dice - C'tis
10. Ghoul31 - Agartha
11. Corwin - Pythium

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

As far as map recommendations. Other than just using a using a random map, I would recommend (in order of personal choice):

Sharivar
Orania
Desert Eye

You'll have more provs per player with Orania, probably enough with Sharivar, Desert Eye would be a little tight, but probably playable for 11. All are easy on the eyes, and have had a lot of playtesting.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

Thank you Lingchih.

Sharivar is a great map, and fits aprox. 15 provinces per player perfectly. But unfortunately I've just started playing a game on that map on Q3 forums, as an MA Ermor. Playing similarly-themed nations on the same map maybe be a bit too much for me. I would like to try another map if we can find something that fits our requirements.


Orania is good but maybe a bit too large - 279 provinces means 25+ provinces per player. I am afraid the game may take too long with that many provinces and players.

Desert Eye is an opposite - a bit too small. 125 provinces means just 11 provinces per player.

But thank you for your suggestions, I really appreciate it. Do you, or anybody else, know of any other good maps? Ideally we are looking for about 15 (perhaps up to 20) provinces per player, easy on the eyes map.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

Replying to some earlier SoIaF-related posts:

Excellent images Ich. I agree, that would make an awesome map for our game, and a great map in general.

Aye, indeed it is. :)

Heh. They say that demons are not to be trusted. But we shall see... :smirk:


It's nice to see that several players seem to have read and enjoyed that book series. :)


"We hold to the belief that the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword. If you would take a man's life, you owe it to him to look into his eyes and hear his final words. And if you cannot bear to do that, then perhaps the man does not deserve to die."

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

Exactly the nation I wanted. Beware, C'Tis is my absolute favourite nation. :)

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

Ok, I did some research into potential maps for our game, using llamabeast server's map catalog. It looks like there are not that many maps that fit our criteria.

Here are two maps that may fit our bill, I would like to get your guys opinions on them.

1. Primea. Looks nice. A bit on a smallish side - 147 land, 9 water. That means 14.1 province per player, or 13.3 provinces per player if you only count land provinces.


2. Urraparrand. (It comes with Dom3 I think) 145 land + 35 sea. 150% money modifier recommended.

That means 16.3 provinces per player, or 13.1 province per player not counting water. Note that there is significant amount of water and since we have no water nations, battles for control of the sizable seas will be fought by land nations. So nations with easy access to underwater troops may have a bit easier time on this map.


Please let me know what do you think of these two options. Also if you have some other good map in mind that you think may fit our game well please let us know about it.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

Hmm, I just realized I've never actually played abyssia before. This'll be interesting. As for the map choices, they're both about the same as far as provinces go, though personally I'd lean towards Primea.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

I'd still vote for Sharivar. Heck, if you're already playing it, then you know it even better for this game. I've often played the same map in two concurrent games, and found it only to be a bonus.

Primea is a bit ugly, though serviceable. Urraparand, I seem to recall, has some really nasty prov connection problems that would have to be fixed. Not to mention it's a wraparound.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

Unfortunately Corwin, between my recommending my map catalogue and your looking at it, almost all the maps got deleted in a hideous server bungle (I've improved my backup system now!). Sorry about that. There are many more good ones around - elmokki's, in particular, are well worth checking out.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

Aren't all the ones that were on the llamaserver also on the forum somewhere?

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

The links under the LLamaserver maps and mods browser will work to point you to the original download links for the maps. All of them are still listed there, with thumbnails.

http://www.llamaserver.net/mapModBrowser.cgi

You'll have to download the map from the original link, and then re-upload it to the Llamaserver. I had to to that with Tyrande for my new EDM test game.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

They're not there any more though. Only the ones I still have, which is a small fraction.

I do still have the original list, and am planning on making an "Old map browser" page so you cam see what's missing. But I'm afraid I'm away for the weekend so can't do so for the moment.

But yes, all the maps do still exist, mostly on this forum, and all that needs to be done is finding and reuploading them. In the meantime the only problem is that the llamaserver is no longer a very comprehensive list of maps.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

Sorry if all this may be a bit confusing for you Corwin, since you've never done a Llamaserver game, and all the maps on it got wiped. But the map upload process is pretty intuitive and painless.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

I like the Sharivar map, but I've played a couple of MP games on it recently (still in one) and I'd like to find an alternative if possible.

I believe that there is a version of Cradle of Dominion on Llammaserver that has 11 fixed starts w/199 land provinces (+22 underwater). This is perhaps the most viable aternative to Sharivar for this number of players that I know of.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

I like this suggestion, thank you Aethyr. I've checked Llamabeast server, there is indeed Cradle map with 11 fixed land starting positions.

Cradle is a very fine map, if not a new one. It's a bit larger then 15 provinces per player (18 land provincess per player, 20 if you count water ones) but it should be all right. It has an interesting geometry with good amount of bottlenecks, rivers, ports, et cetera. We also won't need to do any modding on that map to use it in our game.

What do you think guys? Unless someone strongly objects to it, I suggest we use this map in our game. Let's wait until Sunday, and unless ther will be strong objections I will create the game on llamaserver and we can start uploading pretenders.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

Cradle is a fine map, but did you see this info in the 11 start map description?

"Note that you can't download this map file - it's only on the LlamaServer, so the start positions will remain a surprise."

I think the relevant point would be that it was on LLamaserver. It's not anymore.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

I'll play. man and ermor to the pool (corwin asked 2 from me to be more random)

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

I'm joining the game to balance cradle. My two nation picks are Mictlan and Bandar Log.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

Welcome to our game Militarist and Iainuki.

After a lot of considerations and discussions based upon players feedback and our game's settings, the decision has been made to choose Cradle of Dominion as a map for our game.

We will add two more players, 13 total. That will make the number of land provinces per player to 15.3, total provinces per player - 17. Perfect balance, just what we were looking for.

Since there is space on this map for only one water nation, and a single water nation will not have any competition in the water until much later in the game, to make our game more fun and exciting we will only have land nations in our game. This way the both land provinces and sea provinces can become battlefields from the beginning of the game.


I have rolled the dice for our two new players. Militarist will play Ermor, Iainuki will play Bandar Log.

We are almost ready to roll. All is left to do is to create a modded version of Cradle map with 13 preselected starting positions. This way we will have more fair initial distribution. reducing the effect of luck and increasing the effect of players skills.

I am going to ask Ironhawk and Zeldor, if one of them could do us a favor and create such modded version of this map. Both are experienced map modders and are not players in our game.

Meanwhile everybody please create your pretenders and be ready to send them to llamabeast server, once we will have the map and the game will be created there.


Here is the final list of nations and their leaders:

1. Baalz - Shinuyama
2. Aethyr - Ulm
3. Squirreloid - Pangeya
4. Dimaz - Vanheim
5. Fakeymcfake - Abyssia
6. Lingchih - Tien Chi
7. Llamabeast - Jotunheim
8. PriestyMan(FL) - Machaka
9. Graeme Dice - C'tis
10. Ghoul31 - Agartha
11. Corwin - Pythium
12. Militarist - Ermor
13. Iainuki - Bandar Log

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

The 11 player version does still exist - I have carefully fixed the list on llamaserver so that everything listed is available. They survived because I had copied on my desktop.

Sounds like a new version will have to be made though. A surprisingly tricky task in my expeience, finding a load of evenly spaced and suitable start spots. Well, about an hour's work I guess. Very worthwhile doing for Cradle though, the default start positions seem to be terrible.

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Update: IronHawk has kindly agreed to help us with the map. He said he will probably be able to do it tonight. As soon as it is done the game will be created on llamabeast's server. I'll post update here when it'll happen.

Hopefully you all have already created your pretenders and are just dying to upload them. ;) If not, please do so, hopefully we will kick this show on the road very soon.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

With considerable regret guys, I think I'd better drop out of this game. I'm very sorry - particularly if Ironhawk's already done the map (hope not!). I just realised that I don't reliably get to the computer in the evenings these days - it often takes me a few days to get round to some five-minute e-mail or llamaserver fix, so I don't think I'd be a reliable player in a game of this size. Basically I think I would be hoping to lose so that I didn't get into the mid/endgame, which of course is a ridiculous way to play.

I'm getting a new laptop soon, which I will put in my own room; my computer's currently in the lounge and basically people constantly come and talk to me when I'm doing stuff on it (I live in a shared house). Lovely and very sociable, but leads to little computer time. Hopefully once I have the new computer I may find the time to join a game again with some of you.

Sorry again Corwin and Ironhawk for dropping out at a very unhelpful moment.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

I'll take Jotunheim if it is indeed available.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

Hooray! Thanks Dr P!

Dr P is much more of a vet than me anyway so this is a win for everyone.

If anyone needs any subbing done in this game, I will quite likely be up for it.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

It's a pity to loose you llamabeast but understand your circumstances. Hopefully we will get chance to play some other time.

Welcome to the game DrPraetorious.

Ironhawk is still working on the map for our game, please stay tuned.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

Final list of players:

1. Baalz - Shinuyama
2. Aethyr - Ulm
3. Squirreloid - Pangeya
4. Dimaz - Vanheim
5. Fakeymcfake - Abyssia
6. Lingchih - Tien Chi
7. DrPraetorious - Jotunheim
8. PriestyMan(FL) - Machaka
9. Graeme Dice - C'tis
10. Ghoul31 - Agartha
11. Corwin - Pythium
12. Militarist - Ermor
13. Iainuki - Bandar Log

Final settings and rules for the game:

Mods used - CBM1.6, EndgameDiversity mod 1.1
3 banned spells (Forge, Arcane Nexus, Astral Corruption)
Game Settings: MA, Magic 55. Graphs are on, HOF 15, renaming allowed.
Diplomacy and trading allowed.
Victory conditions - 1 VP for each capital, to win the game you need to get 50% of total VPs(rounded down) + 1. (7VP to win)
Hosting - 24h for the first 10-30 turns, 48h later on.
Host - llama server
Map used - specially modified for our game Cradle of Dominion map (with 13 pre-selected land-based starting locations)

No chese stuff, which includes:
- Bogus orders
- lab filling
- suiciding mages/priests intentionally to turn them undead
- giving up without fight

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed - map, nations selection
 

The IronHawk has finished creating a modified map for us. (many thanks man!)

The game "A Song of Ice and Fire" has been created on llama server! :angel

Please upload your pretenders. The game will start as soon as uploading is completed.



The Song is in the air, riding summer winds, whispering from the shadows, on the edge of the lips, waiting to be sung... ;)

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed, uploading pretenders.
 

Would any of the people playing in this game be willing to play the first couple of turns for me?

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed, uploading pretenders.
 

One note about the start positions I made for your game: the map Cradle is somewhat unbalanced in terms of terrain and chokepoints. To that end, I tried to balance starting positions in a more general way, giving nations with poorer starts more area to expand and nations with great starts more competition.

So, if you feel like your starting position is not so hot, don't worry too much. And if you started next to a load of plains / farmlands, then expect your neighbors to come calling soon...

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed, uploading pretenders.
 

It's much better to find replacement from outside the game Graeme. Please try your best to do so.

But if worst come to worst, I could play first few turns for you, assuming we are far enough from each other so it would not give me any unfair advantage (intellegence most likely) over my neighbours.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. Closed, uploading pretenders.
 

Great, thank you for letting us know IronHawk. I knew you would do a great job on balancing starting locations even on such difficult map.