Re: The most complex game?
 

They are extremely fun, if you are a detail maniac, like I am. I think the most total fun I've had with computer games is with the Tigers on the Prowl series, which has merely functional MS-DOS graphics, sound that is best turned off, a steep learning curve and a large "find out what a PSW231/7 is yourself" element. It was so well done though, that it made me interested in finding out what a PSW231/7 was! I'm not alone either - there were many very satisfied fans of the series, and we had some great times playing the game via PBEM. Once you get into such a game that is well done, there can be a lot more to enjoy than in a simpler game, for players who are interested.

PvK

Re: The most complex game?
 

@PVK...
Don't get me wrong, i have every Talon Soft, HPS, SSI, SSG etc... game there is and spent most of my childhood playing Avalon Hill boardgames. I built every WW2 model i could get my hands on and have a vast understanding of the art of complex warfare http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif . But a "few" have too much minutia for me is all eg: Point of Attack 2 and Decisive Action.

Re: The most complex game?
 

Sure. Different players have different tastes. Details also don't necessarily make a good game. Some games also take some time to appreciate. I was totally confused and didn't enjoy my first game and a half of Tigers on the Prowl, but then I caught on, and got to the point where I could appreciate how well done the many different factors were, and that kept me very entertained for many years. It did also ruin my interest in less-detailed WW2 tactical games, though. When I try to play the Battleground series, or Steel Panthers, or when I look at the results of a strafing run in IL-2 Sturmovik, I can't help but groan and lose interest. Kind of like a Dominions fan thinking about playing Age of Wonders. Though, even that is an oversimplification - I know there are players who enjoy both, and/or who enjoy both TOP and SP, etc. Every player seems to have a unique set of tastes and sensitivities.

PvK

Re: The most complex game?
 

I have to say that Avalon Hill's boardgame "magic realm" has topped my most complex game list. it took me years to learn it and sadly, i am the only one that i have ever met that has played it. glad it had a solo varient.

[ January 10, 2004, 23:57: Message edited by: mercurycs ]

Re: The most complex game?
 

Too bad you're in the US, then.

We play it once every two months, according to the season spirits. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Love the second edition of Magic Realm...

Re: The most complex game?
 

Not only did I play it but I began to mod it. That was just as I was beginning to get into computers and was probably one of the main things on my mind as I considered the subject of programming and "if I did then what would I do?". It struck me as a game that just SCREAMED program me! A board game built around Random Map Generation. The game was great, it was only the setup and putting away that was a drawback. Its still high on my list of "want to be a game programmer? Play this" (amoung others)

Lately I fed google with "magic realm" and boardgame. I was intrigued at how many active sites came up for it.

[ January 11, 2004, 12:38: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]