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I have now assigned a new player to Niefelheim, johnarryn. John is hosting two games, and I've seen a lot of his posts where he's shown a concern for fairness for the players and for keeping a game moving along. Therefore I think he's trustworthy enough to use (and not abuse) the master password.

I'm looking forward to getting this game moving again, so thanks John for jumping in!

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Turn #9 is up - thanks, John!

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Turn 10 is up.

Don't know if anyone noticed, but server was down briefly. Back up now.

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I had to do a system resotre on my computer, and am trying to reinstall everything. I am getting a page can not be displayed error when I try to download the faerun map. Can some one email it to me ddumontier@hotmail.com.

I beleive I have plenty of time to get the next turn in (I will be back from work in about 8 hours from the time of this post. ) But if not can you delay the turn timer slightly . It won't need to be delayed for more then a few hours.

What is the turn timer at? Without the map I cannot check.

I am playing as acro.

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I'm sending the file now, in zip format. Its a large attachment (14.8mb), so your email might choke. If it does, I also attached the file to one of the posts in this thread (where someone requested it in zip format), so you might download it more easily there.

There are 24hrs to host, so you should be fine (but of course, playing your turn earlier is always appreciated! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif )

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Sorry, I was not able to send the email after all (my email has a limit of 10mb attachments). You'll have to download the zip file off the attachment from the post (which was somewhere in the middle of the thread).

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I was able to download the map no problem now. And I got my turn in. Now only one more player needs to do their turn.I think Abyssia.

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Well I am back and I see you reassigned my position.

Of all the delays i have had in these games it seems quite unreasonable to have replaced me so quickly. Other games i have been in have been delayed WEEKS to accomidate others people's personal schedules or technical difficulties. This is the first time I have had to ask for such a delay for myself.

I see Hellboy even mentioned givng me the two days I needed and then he instead replaces me the same day.

I do want to say I really do appreciate those of you who spoke up in favor of waiting for me.

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Well, sorry about how that all went down, Xox. In all honesty, your previous experience with other games has no relevance here. What does have relevance is the game protocol that I proposed and the players' reasonable expectations, given the description of the game I proposed (and yes, this includes your expectations).

The one thing I regret is that I did not state my expectations in the case where a player loses access to the server. In this case, in my opinion, the courteous thing to do is to contact the game host with two pieces of information: ETA on resolution of the problem and the player password. Yes, if your computer is broken this will difficult, but I think not that difficult (whether by internet cafe, friend's computer or work computer, all you had to do was get web access and get on the forum for 5 minutes, and send a PM, or an email, to me).

I should have written this expectation when I proposed the game, and for that lack, I apologize. If it helps to make this more palatable, when you talk about all the delays you have experienced in other games, well, it is for exactly that reason that I impose the policies that you may view as draconian.

Please also note that the last time you played a turn was sometime before the Sat am host. The one indirect and vague communication I got from you came on Saturday evening, and it was a request for a delay, and arrived via PM from another player. It included no information whatsoever as to how long of a delay you wanted, or when you might possibly come back. I held that delay through to Monday morning, when I decided (based on still having no direct contact from you, and no ETA on resolution of the problem), that the game would be best served by reassignment of the position.

Without communication from you, and most especially no idea of when you might return, I simply don't see how the game could've been well served by an arbitrarily long delay. Yes, I could've allowed your position to stale multiple times, but then reassignment would've been more difficult, and the position might have been crippled by the time I decided to reassign.

Again, I do apologize for not having made this policy clear up front. That much is definitely my bad. I hope this doesn't leave too much of a sour taste in your mouth, and that any future encounters we have on this forum are not tainted by this experience.

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I have to say it does indeed leave a bad impression for me.

I did communicate my situation and request. I am pretty surprised you needed a specific communication directly from me. I have seen it done through another player like I did many times in other cases in other games.

I was unable to directly communicate in person or log into the forums anyways, so.... What a strange requirement. No word about that in any previous posts. And why was that neccesary?

You say my specific experience in other games has no relevance here, but it does! I would expect it too, unless you state differently, which you admit you did not.

I also expect in this long of a game this sort of thing will happen again. My guess, you will handle it differently and better. If not, I think you will end up with no players.

I want to back off a bit though and say I have the utmost appreciation for anyone who hosts. Thanks for hosting.

I just don't understand why in the one time I have a need for a delay on my behalf and communicated this you booted me faster than i have ever seen anyone booted from any of these games.

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In my experience of previous games, going away for a week+ without giving any clue when the problem will be resolved is enough reason to get you replaced.

I do not belive the host acted incorrectly in my opinion.

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People, please do read, I did send word.

My computer broke, and I sent word via another player to the host and the host is and was aware of this.

I did communicate, I did, I did!!!!

Also, my computer broke Friday evening, My turn was in for the saturday am host as noted. This is Wednesday, It was not a week. Lastly my ETA back was not vague. it is, was, and actually happened to be, today, Wednesday.


I have been replaced, oh well. No big deal. I just thought it was odd, too fast, and unfair.

But I do not like being miscast as a flake on this, And all the events about this misrepresented. I did communicate all the information needed, and got back in the estimated time. Sorry if I did not put a tps cover sheet on my request for a delay. I did not get that memo.

Sheesh

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Yes, I understand this, and I acknowledged this fact previously.

Please understand that I in no way intend to cast you as a "flake". This whole circumstance is my fault in that I did not announce this policy in advance. I do expect that if your computer had not broke down, you would have been an excellent player and contributor to the game throughout the life of the game. In my mind, this is simply an unfortunate misunderstanding, most of which is my own fault.
All that said, I stand by the policy (which is now stated explicitly in the initial post). It is to your cost that I did not do so previously, and I am sorry about that.

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Sorry for the stale, I probably should have said something. Mind you, there's a certain dignity playing without begging for more time.

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And indeed, your dignity abounds, Sandman! But just so you know, had you asked for an extension, I would've given it (given we just hosted this morning, it appears you wouldn't have needed much of one).

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Enough is enough. Xox did not handle his situation in a bad way. It is unfortunate that Xox was expelled from the game, but he did everything in his power to notify the host.

I feel like the host handled the situation well in giving him time and replacing him once the other players got restless.

There is no indignity in telling a host your computer is fried and you would like a bit of time to resolve the problem.

Neither party acted badly, lets move on.

Senatorial Dispute
 

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Would Abysia be right in thinking that Lanka is crushing both Agartha *and* Ermor? Our data about the war is sadly lacking, despite being close to the action.

Meanwhile, R'lyeh and Niefelheim are engaged in a joint invasion of Arcoscephale. We've not seen any battles yet, but Arco's survival seems doubtful.

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Abysia would be wrong.

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Im not at war with arco really, just travelling to greener pastures.

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I wouldn't really call our invasion "joint." I had no idea Rl'yeh planned to attack the Arcos... I wouldn't even really call it an invasion, for that matter. More "defensive maneuvers conducted in enemy territory." I really see the Arcos as the aggressors here.

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I like this one, I must remember it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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Haha, thanks. It was meant to be silly.

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Watch out for the elephants.

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It was more "hit agartha before they hit me because of what frank told me" than "defend against the agarthans".

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Looks like WSzaboPeter (playing Mictlan) is MIA - anyone heard anything from him in any other games?

EDIT:

Never mind, looks like he just took his turn.

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So Frank is already pulling the strings huh? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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lol http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif I already had plans to hit agartha and moved my army towards him. I offered frank peace but apparently agartha had given him a better offer to fight me and, as it would take too long and be too risky to recall my main army i proceeded with the foolish offensive.

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Not use irony, smash with rokz! Burn! Smash more!

A message from Acro
 

A message to Nieflhiem

Acro demands your immediate surrender. You are to take your troops and leave all lands you wrongfully invaded.

Do that or be destroyed!

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A message to Arcoscephale:

HAHAHAHAHA! You humans have good senses of humor.

- Niefelheim.

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EA arco demanding surrender from niefelheim makes shovah laugh http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I have no idea how strong arco is currently but ive seen niefelheims armies and i know EA niefelheim is one of the big(no pun intended) players.

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Arco's home province has fallen, though Arco cleverly evacuated their remaining mages. They'll be able to keep the struggle going for a while yet.

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No and no Frank.

To quote EXACTLY the message we give you sometime ago, Atlantis promised Ermor, "a considerable period of peace", the considerable period of peace turned out to be 23 months, nearly 2 yrs, so you can't complain. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smirk.gif

I was surprised you never got me to agree a 3 turn warning NAP or such but there you go. On such small mistakes empires rise and fall. Both my other neighbours Helheim and Yomi made sure they had a 3 turn warning non-aggression pact. Which of course Atlantis will honour.

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The only player left to take their turn is R'lyeh, but I'm sure that they submitted their turn earlier. Strange...

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I'll postpone hosting, until this evening. I know I saw Evilhomer connected to the server, although I was thinking that he did not submit (it can be hard to tell with the dark nation icons). Anyhow, computer glitch or not, it seems likely that he had worked out his turn and at least intended to submit.

I'm setting it to host 14hrs from now, and then reset to 28hr QH after Evilhomer shows up, or 14hrs from now, whichever happens sooner.

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No i was just in checkning how thing was going, i was a bit to busy to plan my turn at that point. Now the turn is done however (within ordinary deadline)

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Well done! I didn't even have a chance to reset the server.

Thanks!

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Ermor sent an angry message to Abysia this turn. A pity it was intended for Atlantis.

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We all got it I think.

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The kings and queens of Atlantis had a good chuckle at the Ermorian councils message.

It is not so surprising they are angry when there mighty plans of researching straight to Arcane Nexus and then using that power to enslave all of Faerun have come to dust. Yes, Ermor really was that arrogant and full of himself to tell me this.

I hope the nations of Faerun recognize the heroism and self sacrifice of the Atlantian people in ending this extreme danger to them all.

Atlantis is happy to accept a medal for exceptional bravery in the face of extreme danger. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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Praise Atlantis! Praise the water people! Praise them for their bravery and their will to put hard against hard! Praise them for all time to come! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Frank seems to have a habit of making personal attacks on people. In the long term term I see this as being costly to him.

Honestly, I don't want this to become a "let's all pile scorn on Frank" thread, but I think it is unfortunate that he feels the need to insult other players. As i've said in other threads, please keep all indignation (righteous or otherwise) in character... it keeps the atmosphere friendlier.

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Yep, thats the keyword "non-aggression pact", remember it for the future.

As for trade deals, yes I mislead you, completely on purpose over the 2 dwarven hammers for 3 skull mentors. It was to keep you sweet well I completed the research and built my armies so I could try to beat you. It's another form of diplomacy or delaying tactics if you will.

As for the border agreement, it was more of Ermor grabs everything including sea provinces blocking my expansion and then dictates to Atlantis this is the border. It was when you where dictating this by the way that Atlantis decieded to go to war with you.

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Frank seems to throw tantrums when things don't go his way.