Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Oops, I mean I am canceling 5 turns NAP with Vans of course, that existed between Pythium and Vanheim. :doh: I am very sorry sorry for the confusion.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Heheh, this game is finally getting interesting!

Yes, the mighty empire of Ermor has indeed invaded Ulm this turn, we have no intension of withdrawing nor would we consider such an action.

Corwin, you speak as if I've lost the war already and this is just the first turn, he did catch me by surprise.
So far I see no real damage done, other than losing a few forts under construction, and some temples. But I can't judge anything yet, Vanheim does seem strong, although I think you waited too long to attack me Dimaz.

As for TC, well Pythium plans to attack you since he doesn't wish to interfere into the little Ermor/Van dispute, and allow either me or Van to get ahead of him after the war is over, logically he'll attack you as Jotun's a little big.

As for Jotun, he'll either attack you too once Pyth starts, or Bandar, as it's unlikely he'll try t take Pyth by himself now.

Edit: well maybe I was wrong...

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Executor, I too think I waited for too long, however I needed all those guys to finish Pan quickly and attacking with only couple of raiders was meaningless.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Yes, you are, but it is my own fault for using a wrong nation name. :o I am, in fact, willing to interfere in your Ermor/Van war. The fact that Van has attacked Ermor when Ermor is already in war with Ulm has made a decision of NAP cancellation easier for me.

Again, sorry for the confusion.

My NAP with TC remains in place of course.

And yes, Vans are strong, I've been watching them rolling over Pangeya with almost no losses.

As for Jotunheim - I don't have a border with them. My only remaining neighbors are Tien Chi and Van.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Well, I certainly wasn't aware about Ermor-Ulm war as it started the same turn as my attack. In fact I was sure Ermor was collecting forces to attack me in case I attack Pythium so I decided to make first strike myself.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Yup, I waited until the sea was down, wanted to attack Bandar at first, but I have a NAP 6 with them, I see no point in pressing that cause any more.

Didn't plan to attack you for a little while more, 10 turns at least, however as I had no standing NAP with you, I chose to look to my defenses and fortify against your raiders, which worked good I might add.

I most likely wouldn't have interfered if you chose to attack Pyth, I rarely go 2 against 1, however if someone joins, I have no problem with that. Ive been in to many ganking to act in such a manner myself, and is more fun to fight solo.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Due to all major developements this turn I've recieved a request from another player to delay hosting by 24 hours. The new hosting time for current turn is on Wednesday, at 5AM (PST).

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Third 24h delay on this turn, the's something sinister going on...

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

:)

Indeed. Winter is coming... ;)

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

I'll cast Illwinter, but you all have to promise to send me Thank You notes and otherwise not be bothered by it.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

LOL! That's a good one DrPraetorious. :up:

Indeed, that would be very thematic... :)

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Lame. Let's get it on and finish this thing.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Karate style...

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Nation of Pythium is looking to acquire some death gems, to subsidize our extremely low death income. We can pay any other gem types, or our mages could forge valuable items for you in return.

We are also interested in bloodslaves.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

The nation of Tien Chi is also looking for D gems. We can pay in E gems (and quite handsomely).

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

The nation of Tien Chi decided to join forces with Pythium and attack Vanheim in 3 turns. Clearly if anyone besides Pythium is interested in winning this game it's time to start fighting with them as Vanheim alone has little chances against this alliance. I can help with various magic items and blood slaves.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

I would like a 24 hour extension for the current turn. Thanks

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Ignore my last message--I'm good to go.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Hey, I don't like a gank, and I don't like to do a gank. Sorry, but to get anywhere in this game, I need to take a cap.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Then help me and attack Pythium instead. He's clearly stronger, and you can get most of his lands and a cap in the east when we win.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

That situation is complicated. The situation with you is less complicated.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Sorry for the stale :(.

I did my turn just before the deadline and then went back to sleep - not realizing I'd sent in the wrong .2h file :(!

I'm still playing!

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Lingchih, the only complication I see is that I'm not from your *company* and decided to play in my own interests and not how you wanted me to play. I know that Jotun wants to attack me too; that was the final point that actually solved the puzzle for me. You two wanted to use me to draw Pyth's forces while you strike him in the back, however I was preparing for another war during Pan's last days so wasn't that interested in assisting you in your plan. If you contacted me a bit earlier, I'd probably decided to help you, but it was too late. And you decided to make the #1 even stronger after that, how nice.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Eh, what? I can't even reach you! Or Pythium, for that matter. Everyone may be allied against you, but it's not some kind of plot; you had a few enemies and then you made a bunch more the old-fashioned way.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

I don't have a "company". I have long NAPs with both Jotun and Pyth. I didn't have a long NAP with you. I had planned to attack you long before your ill-conceived attack on Ermor. Don't know what you were thinking there. Pan was a friend, and you killed him. Of course I would want to avenge him, and take some land and maybe a cap in the process.

My advice to you would be to make peace with Ermor, and then it's less of full-on gankfest, and just 2 vs 1.

And oh, did you break the NAP early with Pyth? I thought it was a five turn, but I see you siegeing a castle of his. If you did, then I cannot trust you, and our NAP may end early.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Really? Then why Ermor says you asked him to give a passage to me? And your is simply incorrect:
1) Not everyone allied against me, I have peace with Ermor at least as he has some sense.
2) I made only 1 enemy old-fashioned way: Pythium. I had peace with everyone when I attacked Ermor, after that Corwin logically declared war on me (which was predictable) AND TC illogically declared war on me. I had to make peace with Ermor as he seems to *really* dislike gank, not as Lingchih. So both your statements are incorrect: I didn't have a few enemies, and the only one I made old-fashioned way was Pythium which was perfectly OK for me. And TC and Jotun's actions say for themselves.
3) I don't think it's a plot against me, I'm not that good player. You just give your relation higher priority than in-game interests. That's why I try to reduce diplomacy to a necessary minimum: otherwise it creates unfair game situations.
I don't want to return to that topic anymore because I don't want another drama thread (sorry Corwin for these 2 posts).

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

To be fair, Corwin doesn't like a Gank either. He hated how Baalz went out early. I, on the other hand, have been ganked so many times I can't even remember them all. So, I will gank back. I'm glad you made peace with Ermor... it should make the battle more even. I really have nothing against you Dimaz. I pledged to Pan that I would avenge him, and I am now attempting to do so.

Hostilities start on turn 53. I will not break early.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Lingchih, as I said no more drama, just couple of facts.
1) I had no NAP with you as we had no borders for most of the game.
2) My attack on Ermor was well planned and beneficial to my game position, without your sudden interference.
3) I have no friends when in game. So Pan wasn't a friend, and I killed him because 1) it was easy 2) I needed N gems.
4) Now you say it yourself, you want to avenge him. Not to win the game. Avenge Pan. I hope everyone who can read will read it. Thanks.
5) I made alliance with Ermor as soon as I became aware of your plans. He doesn't belong to your *company*, so it wasn't a problem.
6) Pyth patrolled one of my vans who managed to kill his patrollers. I don't think this can count as nap violation as we hadn't a point about disallowing stealthy armies on each other territory.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

I don't want to get into a pissing match with you Dimaz. Let's just fight, come turn 53.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

HA HA HA! Fool! Executor/Ermor is actually the *leader* of the grand coalition and massive conspiracy meant to destroy you.

He will betray your NAP at the earliest possible instant, utterly vaporizing you on behalf of his master and sovereign, Lingchih.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Metagaming is a bad habit. I didn't say a word about coalitions or such. Just that some players tend to help each other more than in-game situation requires. Just keep in mind that "avenging" for one player can be "breaking the fun of game" for another. And your answers just show that I hit the point, to anyone who can read.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Speaking of which, on ganking/diplomacy unrelated note - that sneaking van had cost me a lot of money and killed 40 or so longbowman this turn, not to mention he is now besieging one of my high income castles. Also that van could easily and safely retreat after being caught, if he would be been scripted to do it, being in the border province. But he didn't, despite the fact that you were aware (or should be) that my castle was heavily patrolled (bunch of your spies were caught there recently).

I feel it is pushing our NAP agreement a bit too far. I will not call it a direct violation, and I will not ask for money compensation (which would be significant) but I reserve the right to get that van if I can. Fair?

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Hm, but using stealthy vans is my only chance in the upcoming war. I hope you understand that I have to put some of them in the position before war starts to make a decent surprise attack. He clearly wasn't supposed to be found that early, and I switched him to hide instead of siege immediately after I saw the turn. Of course you have the right to do anything you want on your own territory, including massive MH.
I regret the damage caused by him, but still I think my actions were within the agreement. If you feel otherwise, I'm ready to give the compensation.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Sure, I understand Dimaz. I have no problem with stealth armies in general, my only issue was with not having him scripted on retreat when approaching border castle with strong patrols.

It's not a big deal. I intend to try to mindhunt that van. But if you are attached to him I can let him live, in return for the compensation to cover price of the killed archers and lost one turn of income from that castle.

Although personally if I would be in your shoes I would rather risk him having killed in mindhunt(there is a chance that he may escape although not very high). IIRC that van has no misc slots available due to using cursed blood items and no has MR boosting items, so he would be mindhunted anyway sooner or later, if you intend to use him as a raider/assasin. That's why I was going to try to kill him rather then ask for compensation - I figured out it would be less expensive and preferable option for you, and I didn't want to push you into paying for something that technically does not violate letter of our NAP.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

I'm not attached, so you're free to play with him :)

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

On a similar note, caught a Vanadrott equipped thug sneaking into one of my heavily patrolled provs. I drove him off, but lost a few hundred gold worth of units. I would say this is definitely pushing the limits of an NAP agreement, and have never seen it done to me before. He was not scripted to retreat, and so I see that as an attack. But since the NAP is almost over, I'll let it pass I guess.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Sorry. I regret the damage caused by him. Again, if you feel I have to give you compensation for this incident, just ask. About not seeing it before, well, I've definitely seen such things. I recommend clearing such points during NAP negotiation when dealing with stealth-heavy nations like Pangaea or Vanheim.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Also, if anybody is interested (for this or future games), here's my default policy regarding stealth during NAPs (of course it applies to both sides):
Moving stealthy commanders and armies is allowed.
Stealth preaching is allowed.
Bane venom is not allowed.
Spy sabotage is not allowed.
Attacking province taken by indies during random event is not allowed.
Patroling is allowed.
Maybe there are some more, but these are what comes to my mind immediately. So if you want to change some of them for your NAP, please state it directly.
In my case, when I was in similar situation (ending the NAP with Vanheim), I either didn't patrol at all or patrolled with forces enough to kill the assumed targets (adding some mage support if necessary).
But, as I said, I'm sorry for your losses. That wasn't my plan definitely.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

(apologies for jumping in out of nowhere)

So patrolling is allowed? Like, in your own territory?

That's considerate :D

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

That was meant as a kind of joke :)

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Ermor vs. Ulm = ouch. :hurt:

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Corwin, please add 12 h for this turn :)

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

:) Aethyr, I look forward to turning your dominion into mine.

Corwin, I thought you staled you cheeky bastard.:)

Dimaz, I apologize for attack you with my spies, I know those are worthy foes.

Dr.P, you've sure got a lot of devils and such.

Iainuki, are you still here, show some signs of life?

Linch, I've got nothing to say to you sadly... :(

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

We may meet eventually Executor. It's a small world.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Sure, done.

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Heh. I almost did. :)

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Absolutely unavoidable at this point due to my poor desing choices and your brutal effeciency. I'm not throwing in the towel, just acknowledging the inevitable. That said, I shall devote myself to being a thorn in your side for as long as possible. :)

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

I know you shall Aethyr, I look forward to it. :)

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

Tartarians, Harbingers, Angels of Fury, Wendigos, Elemental Royalty, Cyclops, Ember Lords, Great Krakens, Horrors...
What else have you got there Pythium?

Re: "A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...
 

What? No Grendelkins? One's stable is just not complete without a few Grendelkin.