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sry for staling again :(

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Say, just a general question: I've occasionally been extending the turns for short amounts of time for various reasons, mainly someone or other asking for extansions. Do people prefer me to notify them of this in the game thread, or doesn't it really matter much. (This time it's 6 hours on behalf of Zeldor who was waiting for diplomacy replies btw. For larger amounts of time I'll obviously let everyone know straight away too.)

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if its just a few hours, no worries

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I declared the nation of Abysia utter crap and my good enemy Neifelheim a cheeky bastard.
Like, 3 jotun militia are all it takes to make my mages burn 50 gems in battle?

Neif, seriously? Bane venom charms? You do know neither of us has any income, and have unrest over 100 in half the provinces due to insane raiding?
I haven't recruited a mage in like 7 turns.

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Sorry about the delay, I have lots on my head recently. I just finished 14h programming streak...

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Lol yeah same here, I think we are both hurting pretty bad by now though you have technically finally taken back all your lands so you are up a little + 1 fort :) if it was any other nation I can honestly say i'd already be rightly dead. Though if it wasn't for all those living fires, I might be able to crush you :)

Heh, just figure I might be able to off some of those pesky mages with it that keep casting living fire, is it working? Not sure what the disease rate is with it though? Is the item considered unsportsmanlike? If so I will remove it, so please let me know.

I know, you are burning gems like CRAZY with those living fires although every time I lose a flying Jarl raider i'm losing a lot of investment too I guess. But yeah that did suck, I think the computer maybe uses HP as the "use gems" marker and maybe cause the giants have higher HP? Can anyone confirm? I was in a game where a single grendel against an army of over 400 and would cause everyone to cast spells.

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Heh, no I just never saw anyone use a bane charm ever.
And there'd have to BE mages to get them diseased. Pretty low on those guys. :)

I'm pretty sure I used up about 200 gems on living fire so far, that really sucks, your PD is the suckiest PD after monkey PD,and I think even 1 PD was always enough to make my mages cast living fire.

And I totally agree, you'd off me by now if it weren't for living fire.
And I'd have killed you if I had anything but fire.

Interesting war doe, pretty pointless... Don't think either of us has the forces to turn over the war and kill the other...

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Neifelheim vs Abysia, what a fun match up!

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Ok, is someone messing up wit hthe game? I got LOTS of battle replay errors this turn.

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Farewell all! Next turn will likely be my last. It was fun, and I'd like to think that I learned a lot, if perhaps not in time.

'Till we meet again in other games,
Mockingbird

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Fomoria is selling N gems, taking almost all gems in exchange, ratios vary based on gem type.

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Thanks for playing Mockingbird.

I do have the impression that you did indeed learn a lot. That defense you put together in your capital was exactly what was needed to stop my druid army dead in its tracks. (Assuming that you had your high-earth Yaksha scripted for a first-turn earthquake on defense despite the damage it would do to your own army. If it had another script I retract my compliment ;) ) Scary enough in fact that, for the first time ever in my Dominions career, I decided to just sit on your fort and go for a dominion kill.

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Abysia looking for fire gems, we offer A/N/E/W/S in return, 1.2 : 1 ratio.

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A/N/E/S sold out, only W left.

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All out of gems of every type. Thanks for shopping at the Abysian market.
Please contact our sales director if one of your shipments goes missing, these Are troubling times after all...

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I have been having difficulty getting my turns done with diplomacy, etc, in the allotted time frame. Can we get a permanent 12 hr extension to the turn duration?

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well ermor has decided they need a new victim. atlantis can't stop their tide just as pan and hinnom couldn't. seems like ermor is making a move for the game. they have plenty of garrisons, plus 3 caps (well not pangeas quite yet). if they take my 2 it could be gg pretty quick.

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This is funny...Atlantis and Formoria (two obvious game leaders) are trying to carve up Helhiem, one of the few nations that can stand up to them...fair enough....

but THEN he complains about me not sitting quitely by while my most powerful neighbor (Atlantis) swallows up another nation. He's really upset because he left his arch-mage-pretender on land: a perfect target for assassination spells. This is of course after refusing an NAP3 with me...guess what happened. :)

In fact, three pretenders may have died last turn, Marduke (sigh) perished yet again and Pangeae's may or may not be alive cowering inside his fortress.

Priestyman, no offense, I respect your right to tell your version of the story, but I have only conquered one capitol this whole game and that was after a brutal war in which I was attacked (of course, it was Hinom). So I don't know where you get "another victim" from. Pangaea isn't even trying to fight me, sooooo calling me unstoppable seems a bit premature too.

If I was making a move to win, don't you think I would pick easier targets?

I think its fairly clear that those allied or at peace with Formoria are handing him the game (he has several globals plus artifacts plus recruitable SCs); you might think its fun to win a small war or sit safely behind walls now, but don't be surprised when he's declared the winner.

That being said, whoever wants to fight me until Formoria wins is welcome to. :)

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I may have some scouts coverage holes, but that is really some poor propaganda :)

Every person with at least some intel and basic math abilities can locate game leaders. And Fomoria does not belong there.

It's obvious that on top we have Ermor [biggest nation in the game, best location], Marverni [MOST of artifacts, including the most powerful ones like forge hammer, chalice, sceptre], great national mages and good diversification already. I'd say Helheim would be 3rd position, but his premature attack counts as a resignation from that spot.

It's obvious for everyone that Helheim is only helping Marverni and Ermor. He knows he cannot win the war - it's also not certain if he can lose it. So the right question is - why is he helping 2 other powers? It's after all Helheim that attacked Fomoria, not the other way around.

So maybe we should start checking who has most provinces? Who has best research? Most gem income? And above all - who has most VPs? But I doubt those are answers that would make Ermor happy :)

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Couldn't care less if you think its propaganda or not...

I would gladly extend my NAP3s to NAP5s (or more) with my neighbors and make peace with Atlantis if he would only stop helping Formoria win.

Sure, lets "check" who has the most gem income, who has the best research, and all that jazz...oh wait...we CAN't check...you're right Zeldor, I'm not happy with that answer at all :)

You know what we can check? Who has cast and currently has the most globals...sure, globals aren't everything, but they are a darn good indicator of power.

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All you do is talk smack , call people names, and lie about your position in the game. I play this game to have fun, not to listen to some ahole act like a jerk in every post.

I'm putting you on ignore

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The word on the street around here is that Abysia is stocking up like Hitler to take over the world and is in fact the real master mind, the puppet master, Fomoria, Helheim and Marverni are just his pawns in his diabolic plan to set the world on fire!

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This is probably true. Just last turn he managed to wheedle no less than 25 gems out of me in trade for just some simbolic payment in other - obviously far inferior for the purposes of setting the world on fire - gem types.

I also think someone who shall remain anonymous - let's call him Xeldor for ease of reference - should restart his theorycrafting about who has or hasn't which artifacts, 'cause his wild guess is wildly off the mark. (And he quite obviously hasn't seen me holding any of those.) At the same time I am certain that this same certain player has, at the very least, the Aegis and Armor of Virtue in his possesion. And while they might not be the most game-changing, they're certainly very useful. And that is actual information and no theorycrafting.

And - although I'm not quite certain about the eastern borders of Fomoria, and the accompanying statements about his globals are obviously true - I do believe that some nation loosely besed on ancient Rome currently holds roughly twice the territory of the Fomoria he accuses of running away with the game.

I also think I will try to improve my scouting coverage so I won't have to try to sift through some of the wild claims in this thread to try and guess who's dangerous and who isn't. :)

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Anyone else is feeling stressed to finish his turns in time?

I had hoped to leave the game running at the current pace a while longer, but at the same time am a firm believer in slowing the timer as needed to accomodate everyone, (within reason) so if you really need those 12 extra hours I'll extend the time regardless of what others say, but doesn't hurt to have a quick show of hands in the meantime.

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He's obviously talking smack and putting a spin on his position in the game in order to try and gain an advantage - or perhaps just for fun. That's pretty much par for the course in MP games though - And Priestyman, Zeldor, Executor, and yes, myself, have done the same in just these last few posts. He certainly didn't go around insulting anyone in any of his latest posts though. [In this thread at least.]

It's obviously well within your rights to put him on ignore, if you don't enjoy his particular brand of smack-talking, just want to keep things in perspective a bit. No need to feel personally insulted over some spin. (Nor to insult the player in question yourself.)

To both of you: Please try to remain civil and not let disagreements over a previous game spill over to this one. (And yes, that does go both ways: while I didn't see Grijalva insult you, his mention of someone being declared a winner was clearly* in reference to the game in question, and might qualify as a hit below the belt.)

*Clearly to those of us - meaning me - that went through that entire argument to see if something untoward had happened. Boy this thing of being a game admin is a tough job. wonder if I should set up a paypal acount for voluntary contributions. :D

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And all those posts before even looking at my turn. Damn, I'm a busy man. ;)

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Crap, you are actually trying to do some good diplo and propaganda :P Of course with graphs off some statements which are not always 100% true can happen here.

Amhazair is totally right - Fomoria is far smaller than Ermor. As is every otehr nation in the game probably. And no other nation has so great position. I have at least 2x more neighbours, none of them noobs whose provs and VPs I could count as mine.

It's up to discussion how strong Marverni is. My intel may be wrong, but he is certainly major power.

We should count Ermor's accusations against Fomoria only as a way to distract world's attention from the obvious fact that Ermor is the strongest one with the best position. And now attacking weaker nation that is no match for him. All that while Helheim makes unreasonable attack against Fomoria.

So, if Ermor is really really so worried about poor Helheim being destroyed, then tell him to sign peace. But oh, that would not be in your interest, right? You prefer him to die, as long as he serves his purpose of making your enemies weaker. You'd love Marverni to join in it too and suffer huge casualties, right? :)

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Well, I can give you some information on this point, my boy. Let's say it in a few words : Fomoria managed through hard and efficient diplomacy to gather two more nations against his eastern neighbourg, some nation based on ancient Greece. :p

What has been is very fun in this war is that Zeldor also managed to keep for his own realm 100% of the benefit of this war, I mean the capitol of Arcoscephale and 90% of his lands. Neither Ctis nor Niefelheim gained a single province so far. Not that they did not try hard, but some ill fate led them to loose time and troops on other wars they did not expect while Fomoria silently swarmed the lands of Arcoscephale. Now, that's what I call subtle Diplomacy, and I humbly bow behind this emphasized D :D

That's to say that I am of course a bit surprised to see Fomoria eliminating himself of the major powers list. OTOH, nobody can ignore that the Cursed ones are also leading the run with globals and research, not to mention the astonishing density of castles in the lands they control.

As a side note, any help (gems, gold, troops) will be welcome for those willing to help Arco to resist to the Infamous Ones. We are few, but we are fierce. And we have whisky. Hence, we shall not surrender. This is Arrcooooooooooooooo !
:cheers:

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Well we defintely have a large concentration of BS slingers in this game don't we? :P

from my lakeside pond i would definitely put ermor firmly in first place, marverni in second, and third place handing in the balance between hel and formoria. As for atlantis, oceania set me back further than i wanted to be, so i am sitting at 4th in my humble opinion.




One more note: ghoul's streak continues..............

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Inindo, PM.

Amhazzir, never mind. Inindo, another PM.

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Mr. Ghoul, I don't know if you can hear me, but thanks for not stooping to my level and calling me names :happy:

Seriously though, no offense was meant before; its a pretty common tactic to try and bait an opponent who has decided to turtle up. I've been acused of cowering inside my forts before too...I even took the bait last time it happened :doh:

This is getting saucy, so much intrigue! I'll be more careful with my words Amhazair, thanks for regulating.

Zeldor, I'm afraid I can only try as you say to keep up with this whirlwind of diplomacy/propaganda, I tip my hat to the master though :) or perhaps I should say "masters" since I was under the impression that you had ruthlessly attacked Helhiem! lol (I may never know the truth, or it may not matter) :o

Regardless, I still support Helhiem (perhaps for more reasons than are appearent here), if he wants to make peace that would be great for the world...if not...

Also, Atlantis and Ermor are at peace once again, as long as he leaves Helhiem alone :angel

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Now that really is a touching story, it almost brought tears to my eyes.

But it really doens't give any information at all about Fomoria's easternmost borders, now does it? :)

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Really ? Well... just push your scouts here, and you will learn... nothing more :p

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You don't have scrying capability yet for some reason Am?

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Anyone has seen or heard anything from Ferrosol these past few days? He staled last turn, and looks to do so again despite the 12h I already added to the timer.

I do believe his position is still solid enough, right?

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No! He shall forever burn in the eternal Abysian flames! These lands are to be purged from such foul creatures! Only sorrow and pain await those who challenge the fires of Abysia!

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Maybe we should give him 12h and post for a temp sub? I doubt Ferrosol would just disappear like that.

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I'll add 6 more hours, and start looking for a sub (temporary or otherwise) if I haven't heard anything by tonight.

Edit: How should I describe their position if it comes to that? At war with Abysia at least, but are they rather weak, average, strong? Little idea to be honest.

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Average, I'd say. They have pretty much as many provs as after initial expansion [which was very good for them, thanks to pretender]. His mages are good and he has research to back them up.

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Trumanator has kindly agreed to take over C'tis until Ferrosol turns up again. He's been banned from these forums, so people wantint to contact him for diplomacy and the like best look for him on the dom3mods forums.

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The silver tounged diplomats of Formoria have convinced Ulm to attack Helheim. Sigh.

In any case, Ulm needs some serious military advisors. His army is so horrible it makes me want to cry.

Here is an example:

2 banes on the back rank set to hold X3 attack. They have elemental armor, charoal shields, Shadowbrands, boots of... stone and wait for it, crystal matrix and lucky pendant....

In front of these 2 gems are a bunch of national fodder and some elephants set to attack, along with a few mages buffing with legions of steel.

The army has 1 province to retreat to.

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Attacking me is never really a good business :)

People are just starting to realise that you are doing everything to help Ermor win this game. Sure, you may say that you want some challenge instead of winning the game. But it's hard to blame other players in the game that they think that your death will give them much better chances of enjoying the game even longer.

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The silver tounge of Formoria's ambassadors may convince others of this. I will point out the flaws in that argument.
FACTS:
1)Helheim has NO border with Ermor.
2)Helheim is not aiding Ermor in their war against Pangea in any way.
3)The war between Helheim and Formoria have nothing to do with Ermor in any way as Formoria was not attacking Ermor. Formoria was far too busy ganging up on Arcos.
4)As far as trade partners go, Ermor ranks last in the number of trades Helheim has done with them as compared to others with at least 3 other nations on that list.

Where does the argument: "Ermor is getting too powerfull and is winning the game, lets attack Helheim!!" Make ANY sense but to the Diplomats of Formoria?

Here is what makes sense to me: Formoria has 3 globals, an amazing density of Castles, Elemental royalty including Air and Fire, powerfull Artifacts including Aegis (well, to be fair, not any more), recruitable SC (Helheim has good thugs no doubt but at 15 HP Venhearses and Hangdrotts hardly qualify as SC) and finally, Helheim has borders with Formoria, NOT Ermor.

As to my other neighbors. Diplomacy went much smoother with them.
Synapse:

Helheim to Mictlin :hi there want NAP3?
Mictlin to Hellheim: OK.
Game long peace since. Even a bit of cooperation against Yomi.

Helheim to Marverni : sorry for killing your expansion group at XYZ province. whould you like NAP3?
Marverni to Helheim, Np on killing my group, ok on Nap3.
Later on deal made for (then still neutral)Calimport province which I posted about earlier. As Marverni correctly guessed we were about to attack at same time again.
game long peace since.

Helheim to Formoria: Hi, seems we are neighbors now. Want Nap3?
Formoria to Helheim: We can work out a deal where you give me 6 provinces to secure our borders and we can have game long peace.

me: huh? give him 6 provinces for peace, aint happening:

Helheim to Formoria: negative on me giving you land for peace, how about we leave things the way they are?(Actually, come to think about it, I did offer him 3 provinces)

Formoria to Helheim: unacceptable.
And that is the exact word Formoria's diplomats used. Unacceptable.

So, now Helheim renews its offer of peace in open: Formia cede's to Helheim the 3 provinces I counter offered after our first attack and I will offer Nap3. And again I say "how does it feel to have provinces demanded for peace"?

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Diplomacy, and by diplomacy I mean manipulation are a part of Dominions as much as anything else, so anyone who gave or wanted to give lands to Fomoria or anyone else for that matter did so willingly, and there for empowered *that* specific nation to such a position.

If you dislike how some nations rose to power, well, play no diplo games so you won't be bullied, cheated, back stabbed, ganked or pissed how someone stole the game, otherwise play with the hand you've been dealt.
This isn't directed to anyone in specific, I'm just talking generally, this game and others.

And seriously, how can any of you complain about the winning nations?
The winning nation Are in such a position because they lack opposition, opposition = rest of you, and that's the bottom line.

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For the Freedom of War

"Right to wage war on neighbors is a fundamental right. No war, which does not violate any diplomatic agreement, should ever be qualified of being "wrong" or "unjust"; and a Nation waging war should not be accused of doing any evil, beside the simple and brutal act of war, conquest and annihilation. Each Pretender and Nation is responsible for its own fate and has the fundamental right to initiate the wars it desires, for the reasons it sees fit, without being judged for that or having to justify publicly for this choice. The only limitation to the Right of War shall be mutually consented and formally expressed diplomatic agreements."

So, my friends, let us be harmonious and respectful enemies :)

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Rytek:

Sure, I made an offer to PURCHASE some provinces from you, which you didn't even own at 100%. What's wrong with that?

I never demanded anything from you. You are the one that manipulated facts. You promised to make me a counter-offer that would be acceptable for you. You call "let's have no NAP at all, so I can attack you any turn, probably when you fight someone else" an acceptable one?

You abused your temp sub, you abused your moving time just to gain some time. You planned an attack on me from the beginning, since you won with Yomi. You never intented to sign NAP, your ignoring of most of my messages made it quite obvious. And really, citing divorce and using it just to get some time to prepare attack in computer game? Rather low...

So fact are quite clear:
- Fomoria never demanded any provinces from Helheim
- every message from Fomoria to Helheim is about seeking peace
- Fomoria offered long-term peace, so there won't be any unnecessary bloodshed, that would just make game easier for other powers
- Helheim was inclined to go to war from the beginning
- Helheim convinced Ermor to back them up, I wonder what was the price
- and it's quite obvious Ermor is gaining the most out of it

You know you are not going to win this war. I'm not a noob like Yomi who will just collapse :) And yes, I will use my diplomacy, as you have to be stopped, so there is a chance of stopping Ermor later.

But if you say I tell lies and that my arguments are moot and you don't want Ermor to win... well, I hold no grudges, so I can give you a peace. Assuming you prefer to be alive and with some chances at the game. And I get the strange feeling that you will rather make Ermor win that admit that attacking me was a mistake :)

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Whoahah! Some heated arguments developed while I was out drinking with some nice coleagues after work. (6 friendly girls and one gay guy, so more or less the best possible company. :) ) Don't feel like processing the information now though, so all have fun spinning up the spin, I'll reply to any diplomatic messages I might have received tomorrow. And don't forget to kiss and make up after the game, right. ;)

Edit: Cause I have to prove I didn't drink too much by (hopefully) spelling correctly in a foreign lenguage.

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Show off :)

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Yeah, well. Still sitting at home alone tonight though, so not showing off that well I'm afraid. :) G'night all, time for bed.

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I still don't quite understand why I'm percieved as the biggest threat in the game (or even the biggest nation) right now...

From what I can see of Maverni alone, his empire spans from the Southwest edge of the world at 112, to where he's kicking the hell out of lanka in the vicinity of 165. Now, unless he has the thinnest empire in the history of Dominions, he must have a lot of teritory in between and to the South of those two pronvinces: that's a big empire!

Maverni, no offense, I'm just trying to deflect so much flak that I've been getting by stating the facts as I see them. You or whoever is welcome to present an analysis of how big my empire is (not small, I admit) but I just want people to acknowledge the facts instead of falling for all of this vague speculation.

As for the he-said/he-said that's going on, let's just keep in mind that in every war we have had the same dynamic: everyone claims their enemy is an agressor or threat in some way. :)