Re: [OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I would call it terrorism too, but for them it was war already... And bombing the pentagon in a normal way is not possible for them. This is what you get when to not equal enemies fight.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Because, the first thing that dies in a war..... is the truth.

DavidG: Calm down plz..., i didn't suggest it.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Its ridiculous for us... Thats the problem (i want to add that i do see it as an terrorist act, but also GWB his war is.)
The bombs that miss and hit civilians are what?? Collateral damage? Remeber that US can permit itself to say what to attack and destroy, something the opposition can't.
The problem is that this was (i guess) the only way to "make their point". Bomb the pentagon? (no way), use a private plane (shot from the air in a sec).... Its just an to unequal war (for them) to stick to the "principles of war".
Guerilla tactics are largely based on: hit, run & fear.

IMO: First look at what you do wrong, before telling someone else what he does wrong (when you are just as wrong yourself).
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This war is just to enequal to make them stick to any rules.

R.

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So, another ”interesting http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif ” incident. Marines kill 10 civilians, including 5 children under 5 years of age, in a van.

Probable reason: The vans driver did not understand a stop signal.

War Crime or acceptable collateral damage ?

Re: [OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yea you did. And not not only that now you've made another post that appears to justify their actions as it is the 'only way to make their point'

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How about unaceptable collateral damage. Clearly if they had know it was a bus full of unarmed women and children they would not have fired.

As a side note on civilian casualties why is it that Iraq seems to be held to a different standard than the coalition? Has anyone asked Iraq why they are lobbing missles into Kuwait city or firing at civilians leaving Basra?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Cover-up? It has already been reported that the platoon leader's commander tore a strip out of the guy for not firing the warning shot early enough. "You f--ing killed a family" he supposedly said. That said I would still view this as an accident and one that quite likely was caused in part by what Geo suggested. Given the tactics used so far I for one am not in a postition to second guess the actions of troops in the field. The only way this could be considered a war crime is if you consider the whole conflict a war crime (which some obviously do)

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If that second part was also directed at me then I apologize. It is not what I believe or intended to come across in my Posts. (and yea I know I have taken exception to a couple of Posts (not yours) I thought were pro Saddam but the vast majority of anti war Posts put forward perfectly valid points. A lot of which I agree with)

Re: [OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.
 

DavidG

It is the "You f--ing killed a family" quote that makes me believe it’s not a stupid suicide driver as Geo suggests, but a misunderstanding of the proper procedures from the drivers side.

We will know in a couple of days if there is a cover-up or not.

Re: The other post.
It was both a general message and a hint to you. Anyway, No hard feelings http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif .

Re: [OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation, war and politics.
 

Well if this article turns out to be true, then it starts to look more like a stupid mistake, or even gross incompetance. It's way to early to know for sure at this point of course. I'd be very suprised if it turns to be some sort of deliberate act on the part of the soldiers. Contrary to Iraqi propoaganda the US soldiers are not targetting civilians. They are getting themselves injured and killed in many cases going out of their way to avoid civilian casualties. That's not to say however they mistakes won't be made. And if it turns out someone didn't act quick enough and that caused or contributed to this tragedy they should be punished accordingly. But that doesn't make it a war crime.

I wonder if anyone has ever done a study of the number of French/Belgian/etc civilians inadvertantly killed by Allied actions during the liberation of Europe in WWII. Might be interesting, if nothing else for context.

Geoschmo

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yea you did. And not not only that now you've made another post that appears to justify their actions as it is the 'only way to make their point'</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you actually read my post.

I said that i condemn all kinds of terrorist action, ALSO GWB actions...

And i didn't say/justify, i ask myself the question and compared, anyway... one war is enough (to much).

Peace,
R.

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