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I looked for a related topic to resurrect, but didn't find one that fit. So I'm posting this right here.

The question I have is this: how do they get these numbers if they aren't watching other people's network traffic, or searching their computers remotely. I know they can just open up Kazaa themselves, but how are they connecting that to a person without a Search that would normally involve a Warrant?

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Hey! I'm in the 8%!

What a load of crap... these people really are on a different planet if they think they will do anything but alienate their markets with all this crap.

And when people realise that their ISPs are recording their activities and leaving them wide open to prosecution, do you think they'll stop downloading songs? They'll just find a way around it. Or maybe they'll just exchange home-burnt cds full of mp3s via the postal service instead. Or maye the RIAA will have everyone's mail opened and searched as well...

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There was a story on Slashdot yesterday about the RIAA companies monitoring P2P to gauge artist and song popularity for marketting purposes. They've been using it as a resource for some time now, apparently.

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=0...&tid=98&tid=99

[ September 11, 2003, 17:49: Message edited by: Baron Munchausen ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">All sorts of personal information, really anything anyone wants to know, is available as what is called "demographics". As long as they don't have a name tied to the particular bit of information it's legal to collect any sort of tidbits they want to for statistical purposes. So you have a list over here with a number representing you and all sorts of details about your Online activities, and another list over here with your name. As long as there is nothing to cross referance the two lists they haven't impinged on your privacy and so no warrant is neccesary. At least that's the theory. It's easily abbused of course and so something we should all be very concerned about.

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There is an RIAA we know and love??? I am confused. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

It is illegal for the ISP to give any sort of personal information to the RIAA or any other agency. They can give basic statistics, but that is it. All that the RIAA can do is illegal tracking and hacking of your comp.

[ September 11, 2003, 17:48: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No it is not illegal anymore in USA. The case RIAA vs Verizon settled that.

If you want more fun here is some :

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11483

Want more ? Have this :

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11493

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">looks like they asked.

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So many old RIAA threads.

I think I'll bring my own back for this.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/12/19/mu...eut/index.html

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Yay! Stupid law-breaking RIAA... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

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A good point was (inadvertantly) made below:

The US post office (like an ISP) moves mail with information and demagraphics around (like an ISP) from person to person. The US post office doesn't collect and maintain data on who sent what to whom (generally speaking) so why should a similar entity be able to do it and get away with it just because the format changed from paper to data? That is some really ****ed ** ***t ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

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Well, if the artists would make great 10 or so songs on their cd's, instead of maybe one or two, maybe the people would buy more of them. Instead of just trying to d/l their favorite song off of the album, they would go to their music stores and buy the newly reduced in price cd chock full of good stuff. But I haven't bought a cd in such a long time, I really don't know the quality of the music. I'm not buying because I'm d/l the crap out of the songs, I just don't have the interest right now in buying music. In my current lifestyle, I just don't have much time to play cd's. I like listening to talk radio at work, and I don't have a cd player in my car. I have a part-time job on the weekends, but unless I buy stock in Everready or DuraLast, there's no electrical outlet to plug my player in. So teh RIAA can go kiss my @$$.

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Kazaa has apparently recovered actual copies of their program that have been altered and then redistributed by the RIAA to monitor traffic and they are now suing the RIAA for tampering with their 'intellectual property'!

Mwahahahahahaha!

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">And there is ANOTHER sore spot! How about all these albums by different Groups/singers labeled, "Best Of (fill in a group name)", yet if you take a look at the songs on any such album, you will often note many of the songs are NOT their best. They are just fillers that never even made the Billboard top 100. That's just misleading advertising. THAT grabs my crotch hairs!

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">And there is ANOTHER sore spot! How about all these albums by different Groups/singers labeled, "Best Of (fill in a group name)", yet if you take a look at the songs on any such album, you will often note many of the songs are NOT their best. They are just fillers that never even made the Billboard top 100. That's just misleading advertising. THAT grabs my crotch hairs! </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Ouch. maybe you should get some cream for that?! As far as the previously unheard songs on teh best of albums, I have to agree. Although occassionally the unheard of before song is good, I don't know if it should be on a "best of" album. When I do buy albums, I tend to buy the best of ones instead of trying to collect all of the previous albums of a group or artist. There are some exceptions. I have most, if not all, of Pink Floyd, The Eagles and Led Zeppelin albums, and I still buy the best of. To me, it's just easier to have one album with all of the songs I like than to look through 4 or 5 albums to find those songs.

[ December 19, 2003, 20:44: Message edited by: gregebowman ]

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Thus the beauty of writable CDs. Pick your favorite songs from your music collection and make your own CDs with just those on them. Perfectly legal (assuming you own the CDs you copied the songs from, of course). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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We all have nothing to worry about just so long as we all fill out the form.

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The RIAA is using scare tactics and mis-information to justify its actions.

There is no way they can claim that there are over a billion songs being downloaded and swapped on P2P networks. That is an utterly absurd statement based on statistical probabilities and witch craft.

The RIAA is full of fat assed over paid lawyers who decided to branch out from defending insurance companies to suing 11 year old girls and their grand mothers out of their life savings.

Besides, 75% of all music swapped on any P2P network is mostly older music that is difficult if not impossible to find.

The RIAA should focus on filling the void, that is they should start to license on line music shops and allow them the start selling music, all music and not just old crap but new music as well, on line for 25 cents a song for older songs, and more for newer ones.

The record company is either blind or incredibly stupid for not taking advantage of the internet and the market that is currently still devoid of having what it needs to explode into a multi billion dollar market.

In my perfect world, everyone would have access to everything at a reasonable price. There would be no need for song swapping on a P2P network for any song could be obtain for pennies. In my perfect world, all RIAA lawyers, along with their masters from the Record Companies would be lined up against a wall and shot as an example to all others company CEO's who might try and claim financial injuries where non exist.

[ December 20, 2003, 00:09: Message edited by: CNCRaymond ]

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A fair system cannot exist while the RIAA and the record companies are still around. Nothing but the complete dissolve of the recording industry and a complete reconstruction will save music.

They business model that they have been using has been refined, tweaked, and crafted to funnel the most money to the RIAA and the labels. Artists receive little, if anything from CD sales.

When you have money (heaps and heaps of it) and it just keeps coming, and then it stops, your going to be angry and fight to restore your way of life.

They see a threat to their income, so they're doing anything they can to stop it. It's much easier to fight to keep the old system alive then it would be to make a new, fair system. But fair means that the artists would get paid, so you can bet there will be some pissed off CEOs (and lawyers too).

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">that's hilarious. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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http://www.astmod.com/riaa.PNG

LOL

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How did you insert that picture in your Last post? I thought we couldn't do that anymore...

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Press the "QUOTE" button on his post, and you will see the code he used.

PvK

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Hmmm... It seems I'm in that 8% as well. Too bad they just asked about "digital music" files, and not their source. Of about 1500 "digital music files" that I have, I own the CDs for around 95% of them. 2% were downloaded legally from places like mp3.com, while a measly 2% were downloaded off some P2P network. It used to be a much higher percentage in the "illegal download" column, but the crappy music was deleted, and the good ones I eventually bought the CDs for. It's also too bad for the RIAA that most of the music I get from independant labels or the bands themselves. I don't think their execs will ever understand potential customers that can't stand the mainstream, one-size-(almost)-fits-all, bubblegum pop music, and are actually computer literate. Unless, of course, the execs are replaced with people from the 18-25 crowd that are currently having fists shaken at them for knowing what the **** they're doing with that darn contraption on their desk.

The main problem with RIAA executives are they are computer illiterate. It's taken them something like three years to begin to realize that digital music is something they can make money off of, they just need to change their business plan to take advantage of the new infrastructure. They're still stumbling through trying to make things work, but IMHO, it will be another few years before most "illegal" downloading stops and the new business model takes its place.

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We don't want the RIAA to be part of the new business model.

The future of music is independent. The system of bands being signed to record labels will be abolished in favor of a system that gives the artists (and the listeners) more freedom.

The Internet and p2p just gave us the opportunity to take the fight to them. They loose more and more money each day from reduced sales, and are loosing in court. It wont be long before the RIAA as we know it will cease to exist.

As much as they would like it to be, information is not consumable(as in used once, and must be payed for again).