OT: the RIAA we know and love

[Loser]

I looked for a related topic to resurrect, but didn't find one that fit. So I'm posting this right here.

The question I have is this: how do they get these numbers if they aren't watching other people's network traffic, or searching their computers remotely. I know they can just open up Kazaa themselves, but how are they connecting that to a person without a Search that would normally involve a Warrant?

[dogscoff]

Hey! I'm in the 8%!

What a load of crap... these people really are on a different planet if they think they will do anything but alienate their markets with all this crap.

And when people realise that their ISPs are recording their activities and leaving them wide open to prosecution, do you think they'll stop downloading songs? They'll just find a way around it. Or maybe they'll just exchange home-burnt cds full of mp3s via the postal service instead. Or maye the RIAA will have everyone's mail opened and searched as well...

[Baron Munchausen]

There was a story on Slashdot yesterday about the RIAA companies monitoring P2P to gauge artist and song popularity for marketting purposes. They've been using it as a resource for some time now, apparently.

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=0...&tid=98&tid=99

[ September 11, 2003, 17:49: Message edited by: Baron Munchausen ]

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Loser:
The question I have is this: how do they get these numbers if they aren't watching other people's network traffic, or searching their computers remotely. I know they can just open up Kazaa themselves, but how are they connecting that to a person without a Search that would normally involve a Warrant?

All sorts of personal information, really anything anyone wants to know, is available as what is called "demographics". As long as they don't have a name tied to the particular bit of information it's legal to collect any sort of tidbits they want to for statistical purposes. So you have a list over here with a number representing you and all sorts of details about your Online activities, and another list over here with your name. As long as there is nothing to cross referance the two lists they haven't impinged on your privacy and so no warrant is neccesary. At least that's the theory. It's easily abbused of course and so something we should all be very concerned about.

[Fyron]

There is an RIAA we know and love??? I am confused.

It is illegal for the ISP to give any sort of personal information to the RIAA or any other agency. They can give basic statistics, but that is it. All that the RIAA can do is illegal tracking and hacking of your comp.

[ September 11, 2003, 17:48: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[Unknown_Enemy]

It is illegal for the ISP to give any sort of personal information to the RIAA or any other agency. They can give basic statistics, but that is it. All that the RIAA can do is illegal tracking and hacking of your comp.

No it is not illegal anymore in USA. The case RIAA vs Verizon settled that.

If you want more fun here is some :

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11483

Want more ? Have this :

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11493

[narf poit chez BOOM]

About 2.5 percent told us they had bought something from those sites

looks like they asked.

[Loser]

So many old RIAA threads.

I think I'll bring my own back for this.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/12/19/mu...eut/index.html

a 1998 copyright law does not give copyright holders the ability to subpoena customer names from Internet providers without filing a formal lawsuit

[Fyron]

Yay! Stupid law-breaking RIAA...

[Slynky]

A good point was (inadvertantly) made below:

The US post office (like an ISP) moves mail with information and demagraphics around (like an ISP) from person to person. The US post office doesn't collect and maintain data on who sent what to whom (generally speaking) so why should a similar entity be able to do it and get away with it just because the format changed from paper to data? That is some really ****ed ** ***t !